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[COHCommando]

I am just wondering why does the little tiny hotch can kill the pershing.even its heavy should be able to hold aganist the little tiny gun of the hotch kiss,the gun can kill the thing from the front,i did not pay 620 manpower and 200 fuel for it to die to a hotch kiss.I know that the greyhound can kill the tiger from the front i think that both the hotch kiss and greyhound should not be able to kill the tiger or whatever the heavy armored tank at all.I think that should be something to change if you get the chance.

[LeoPhone]

hoch with upgun is a tetrach, tet kills heavy tanks.

and pershing is lame, axis tanks OP

[EliteGren]

You should be comparing the upgunned hotchkiss to a upgunned tetrach, not a greyhound.
Tetrach vs Tiger is about equal to Hotch vs Pershing I'd say.

[Smokaz]

Tetrarch is really more like a upgunned hothckiss than the m8. The m8 is good against both infantry and tanks/vehicles. Both upgun hotchkiss and upgunned tet can do good frontal penetration. Tetrarchs for instance are very good against the jagd with upgun since it cant track them and they penetrate it very well

[COHCommando]

I dont think there should even do and damage to the front armor of a HEAVY TANK maybe  to a medium tank but heavy that is bs you pay so much for a heavy tank waste pp too than you driving then bam died to no the tetruck or hotch kiss, I would just like to see a change.

[EliteGren]

That's a core aspect of CoH and how those units were designed.
And do you care to explain how you waste pp on heavy tanks?

[Demon767]

how do you lose a pershing/tiger to a hotch, m8, tet. unless your tiger/pershing is neaarly dead. you shouldnt. a tiger can 1 shot an m8, tet. correct me if im wrong about the tet.

No leave it as it is.

[Tymathee]

the upgun hotch is great against medium and heavy tanks, i love those things. Now...when they get hit they die fast but in packs those things can easily take down pershings. Actually, I used to bring 'em out just for pershings on my PE account.

[lionel23]

Considering equal pop costs for a pershing vs horde of Hotchkisses.... they rape pershings very quickly, same thing when you take multiple M10s vrs same or greater numbers of hotchkisses, due to rate of fire... allied tanks shoot very slow.

[Demon767]

M10's can destroy p4's 1v1. *CAN* so dont bring in the cost of the units aswell.

[Mysthalin]

Let this be said :

Tetrarchs, as of the TOV patches, can not kill Tigers, Panthers, King Tigers or Jagdpanthers.
The speed, health and damage nerfs all accounted for that - now the hotchkiss, with it's 75 damage per shot and 3 second reload (tetrarch 50 damage per shot, 6 second reload) is the ultimate light tank destroyer. The tetrarch nowadays just all around fails, and should be reverted to it's original form.

Let this also be said :

2 Hotchkisses kill a full health Pershing from the front without even properly TRYING to circle-strafe it.

2 Tetrarchs, even in their prime, were not capable of killing even a Panther if not circle-strafing.

As the god of the once mighty Tetrarch, those are my thoughts echoing in words.

[shockcoil]

Upgunned hotchkiss rape pershings, this much is true. However I've found thats all they really excell at. They can chip in a few shots at sherms and tank destroyers but really they get raped by them and trying to hit allied light vehicles is still as frustrating as with everything else.

[Groundfire]

Let this be said :

Tetrarchs, as of the TOV patches, can not kill Tigers, Panthers, King Tigers or Jagdpanthers.
The speed, health and damage nerfs all accounted for that - now the hotchkiss, with it's 75 damage per shot and 3 second reload (tetrarch 50 damage per shot, 6 second reload) is the ultimate light tank destroyer. The tetrarch nowadays just all around fails, and should be reverted to it's original form.

Let this also be said :

2 Hotchkisses kill a full health Pershing from the front without even properly TRYING to circle-strafe it.

2 Tetrarchs, even in their prime, were not capable of killing even a Panther if not circle-strafing.

As the god of the once mighty Tetrarch, those are my thoughts echoing in words.

This is incredibly true, and should not be.

Its silly how effective 2 hotchkisses are against Pershings and have no where near the same effectiveness against shermans.

Played shockcoil today. His 2 hotches neutered my 2 pershings. I didnt know what I was up against and my first pershing had half of it's health gone before I even noticed.

I honestly think it's one of those relic fuck ups. You know the kind that says "were gonna add 1 second to the drop in U.S. howie strike" and it ends up being 1 second arty.

Upgunned hotches shouldnt get a 200% penetration bonus against pershings. I dont care how you justify it, there should be a god damn decimal point infront of that 2.

[Ununoctium]

Upgunned hotches shouldnt get a 200% penetration bonus against pershings. I dont care how you justify it, there should be a god damn decimal point infront of that 2.

Somehow I feel this might have actually been the relic screw up

[Fingertrapped]

I agree on the pershing vs upgun hotchkiss issue, tune this to make it a little less ridicolous. It would be fine if the pershing could actually hit the hotchkiss but when pershing is moving to back up from a upg. hotchkiss it has problems doing this as well.

edit: post by smokaz

[deadbolt]

You should be comparing the upgunned hotchkiss to a upgunned tetrach, not a greyhound.
Tetrach vs Tiger is about equal to Hotch vs Pershing I'd say.

only when tet targets the tiger ;(