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[LeoPhone]

just wanted to ragepost a ragevideo after i raged in a game, and yes, after also losing my vet 2 tiger i ragequitted.

http://www.xfire.com/video/1d8dc0/

some notes:

- piat shouldnt hit 4 times in a row a moving puma. when i fight pumas as USA theyre impossible to hit
- piat shouldnt kill cloacked sniper, even tough i tought the sniper was uncloacked from massive distance by a bren carrier. why does the bren carrier spot cloack so good? its not a jeep but it is lame.
- volks with assault should do damage to piat squad
- a one man bren squad shouldnt kill a gren squad on his own
- a one man bren squad shouldnt button a tiger for 20 seconds
- i try not to rage, and sorry.

[AmPM]

Lets see

If it rolls 4 hits (all luck) then all 4 will hit. Same for sniper.

Brens are Brit jeeps. They don't have quite the sight range, but still good.

Learn to fear Tommies.

[LeoPhone]

i read in coh patch notes that they fixed the one man button squad, so his button time wouldnt take so long as a fullhealth squad would do. i dont see it.

[EliteGren]

It was removed again.

[AmPM]

Upon watching the video, you also played like crap. Support weapon spam is not good for supporting your Tiger =)

[Groundfire]

you walked into 2 buttons and a shit ton of AT.

Dude, there's no excuse, that was your fault.

Piats and sniper kills. Well that's just luck, and i have a feeling that piat cloak, and the captain running through the sector had something to do with the puma getting hit more times than usual.

[LeoPhone]

It was removed again.

why was it removed?

and... i only had an mg and a mortar for support, mortar is great with tiger since it can kill atgs.

there was only that piat squad, that button squad with 1 man and an atg. atg i killed quick and then i drove over the hedges to stop piats using it.

then the one man button squad ran to me, that guy should have been dead ages ago but i tought it doenst matter since his button only takes like 2 secs.


it didnt, and ab could come to me and atg could land, also another bren squad showed up in the time of the other button.

[Unkn0wn]

Maybe you have account modifiers like Two 

On a serious note, I hope you didn't couse a desync/draw by ragequitting because if you did that's technically an offense.

[EliteGren]

It was removed because you would still pay the full price to button for 2 seconds with 1 guy like you would with all 5 for the normal time.

[LeoPhone]

It was removed because you would still pay the full price to button for 2 seconds with 1 guy like you would with all 5 for the normal time.

in that case, i want my one man double screck squad two hold to schrecks and my 1 man volk with assault to throw 5 nades at once.

makes no sense at all, bring the relic system back plz

[DisposableHero]

I don't see how one guy firing his bren gun at a tank to button it is so vastly different from two guys firing their brens at a tank to button it with their three mates stand around them. The whole unit doesn't have bren guns. There's still a bren gun there, and its still firing. Then you got hit by another bren gun, piats, a second ATG, and RRs.

Now you say that one bren gun killed a whole gren squad. You didn't mention the staghound that was there as well, or that you were running the grens around whilst he sat in cover and fired.

Your sniper was spitting distance from the carrier. No wonder he got uncloaked. That piat, and the four ones that took out the puma? That's luck and random chance. Its in the game to make it interesting. If it was simply a case of A beats B every time, nobody would want to play.

I know I personally have seen countless times on these forums warnings to new players not to beleive that their favourite unit-of-choice is invincible - because it isn't.

[LeoPhone]

I don't see how one guy firing his bren gun at a tank to button it is so vastly different from two guys firing their brens at a tank to button it with their three mates stand around them. The whole unit doesn't have bren guns. There's still a bren gun there, and its still firing.

then it should be 50% less effective, and i would be pretty scared if 3 man with a rifle were shooting at me. and in some situations even more scared than someone who has a bren gun.

[DisposableHero]

I'll grant you that a 50% drop in efficiency seems logical. I'm not so sure that its necessary problematic, though. In the example you posted, your tank would still have been buttoned long enough for the second bren gun to get in range.

[lionel23]

Okay watched the vid, my own unbiased observations on this (agreeing with Disposable's things he pointed out, so sorry if some of these are a rehash of his statements):

1. That puma was close range and not going max speed against a vetted piat team (with accuracy bonus) and a vetted captain nearby.

2. Vet 3 captain was nearby, providing aura buff perhaps in addition to the vet 3 piat sappers own skill (15% more accuracy).

3. Bren Carrier = Poor man Jeep.  Its the British vehicle detector for Brits, so it will reveal things.  Also, piat killing inf = just as much as shrek/bazooka/rr gibbing infantry. Or an ATG sniping your sniper, it happens.

4. Your volks missed their assault grenade attack, not to mention the captain provides at max vet a max health and damage reduction buff to British infantry.

5. The 'one man bren squad' had a Staghound w/ 50 call on it right next to him the whole time.

6. One man Bren squad still buttons, because its a special weapon that falls to the last guy.  Same thing with bazookas/shreks, RRs, LMGs, and the BAR rifle.  What next? So a 1 man BAR squad shouldn't be able to suppress when down to 1 man even though you paid 80 muni for it?  Lets do that with Shreks and reduce their dmg so no axis player runs around with 1 man LMG and Shrek squads.... that just goes against the rule of special weapons (that of them being passed down along the squad).

Anyway still love you Leo!  Just my observations I've noted, looked like a terrible game as axis, not to mention it seemed those RR Airborne also captured a shrek and had multiple ATG support... where was your support during that whole time? A single tank could have run over the bren squad (they can't move to dodge) and sacrificed itself to save the tiger.

[Computer991]

6. One man Bren squad still buttons, because its a special weapon that falls to the last guy.  Same thing with bazookas/shreks, RRs, LMGs, and the BAR rifle.  What next? So a 1 man BAR squad shouldn't be able to suppress when down to 1 man even though you paid 80 muni for it?  Lets do that with Shreks and reduce their dmg so no axis player runs around with 1 man LMG and Shrek squads.... that just goes against the rule of special weapons (that of them being passed down along the squad).
Anyway still love you Leo!  Just my observations I've noted, looked like a terrible game as axis, not to mention it seemed those RR Airborne also captured a shrek and had multiple ATG support... where was your support during that whole time? A single tank could have run over the bren squad (they can't move to dodge) and sacrificed itself to save the tiger.

Shreks are a single weapon,so are LMG's

Brens are a double weapon,seeing as you get two so what hes saying is if your down to a 1 man squad and you don't have 2 bren's you shouldn't be able to button as long.

[lionel23]

If that's the case, we need to raise the price of LMG/Shreks because all allied weapons come in pairs and apparently now that's a disadvantage if losing one of them for that high a price is to equate to 50% less efficiency while axis only get 1 weapon at full efficiency regardless of losses...

[Unkn0wn]

Personally I think it's probably something we don't want to mess with, could just be another balance headache

[Computer991]

If that's the case, we need to raise the price of LMG/Shreks because all allied weapons come in pairs and apparently now that's a disadvantage if losing one of them for that high a price is to equate to 50% less efficiency while axis only get 1 weapon at full efficiency regardless of losses...

lol Lionel you only lose the 2nd weapon when your down to the last man,and its only the buttoning ability,and i was just explaining to you what he was trying to say.

[lionel23]

I understood what you said and that's retarded, why should a Bren be any less effective if the last guy in the squad is holding it? It's a special weapon, it's passed down like a BAR.  A Bren is still a Bren, they come in pairs just like ALL allied Upgrades (BARs, Bazookas, RR).  What you're proposing is to nerf the already expensive Bren upgrade because it comes with 2... why not just make it you buy 1 bren for 120 MU then with no loss in effectiveness to make it comparable to LMGs if you want to nerf British infantry upgrades when axis have singular weapon options.

[bbsmith]

The Bren is expensive because it comes with Button.