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[Fresz]

Just a question...

What dev team was thinking of when adding bazooka to rifles?

replay here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/357969613/riflespam.rar.html

We lost by winning... each of us got 2x more kills than deaths... Rifle spamer had 115 KIA...

[3rdCondor]

mg42, grens single mg, pumas, ostwind rinse and repeat

[Two]

Its not that hard to beat armour company players with it, since their inf dont get buffs, just use what condor did.

[Evilnrg]

p4 with skirts  ?

[Tymathee]

well, if you're wehr you should kick their butt easy, but if you're PE? You're screwed.

Basically yeah, hmg's, lmg's, hmm, mp40's (since they can't use  bar's and they lose combat effectiveness when they hold a zook) hmm, mortar's, p4, ostwind, tiger, nebel, mortar, pio's with flamer, kch, yeah...it's your bad, not the zook spam.

[Jinker]

P4's against an armored company = fail. Sherman upgun spam will simply hit and run you.

[Tymathee]

P4's against an armored company = fail. Sherman upgun spam will simply hit and run you.

a skirted p4 can still beat an upgun sherman 1v1 because of rate of fire and 10% less dmg that skirts give vs the sherman gun.

[wittman420]

I got to agree, why the hell does the armor doc get zooks with their rifelmen, this should only be for infentry do or maby even airborn, but armor comon. ive seen the gayest crap possible by some armor players that spam rifels with zooks and then have loads of tanks in the back to counter anything u throw to kill the the rifelmen. and pumas do not work agianst them they get owned by 2 zook shots. this is complete stupidness sorry i have to say it i usually dont complain about anything but this is gay!!!!!!

[MonthlyMayhem]

Don't run Pumas into zooks use tanks to kill the zooks, they have a hard time penetrating frontal armor or just use other infantry backed up with at guns.

[lionel23]

Reason being that Armor had no reliable anti-light vehicle counter, if shermans were locked out by marders and your ATG was killed, as riflemen are unable to penetrate and kill vehicles which left their infantry the most vulnerable to light vehicles that a tank cannot hit.

Use anti-infantry infantry squads to deal with them, they are still just weak riflemen, and they cannot take BARs with bazookas.  The bazooka still has shitty penetration against tanks (frontal armor), so of course don't chase a sherman and go past his bazooka infantry escorts and get surrounded by all that, that's pretty much suicide.  And pumas work great against riflemen bazooka at LONG range, at bazookas are notoriously inaccurate as we all know.  Use combined arms to beat riflemen bazooka backed by a sherman (obviously one unit cannot beat two units, so use P4s backed by MP40s assault infantry with MG/Mortar/LMG support... that is just an example) just like how the US player is using said mixed support to field the sherman and infantry.

[LCII^Bun-Bun]

Reason being that Armor had no reliable anti-light vehicle counter, if shermans were locked out by marders and your ATG was killed, as riflemen are unable to penetrate and kill vehicles which left their infantry the most vulnerable to light vehicles that a tank cannot hit.

Use anti-infantry infantry squads to deal with them, they are still just weak riflemen, and they cannot take BARs with bazookas.  The bazooka still has shitty penetration against tanks (frontal armor), so of course don't chase a sherman and go past his bazooka infantry escorts and get surrounded by all that, that's pretty much suicide.  And pumas work great against riflemen bazooka at LONG range, at bazookas are notoriously inaccurate as we all know.  Use combined arms to beat riflemen bazooka backed by a sherman (obviously one unit cannot beat two units, so use P4s backed by MP40s assault infantry with MG/Mortar/LMG support... that is just an example) just like how the US player is using said mixed support to field the sherman and infantry.

DUDE, what? You are saying ALLIES have trouble vs light vehicles? Sorry, it just sounds a bit... ironic / stupid....

Tbh, puma's, imho, get owned way to easily by ATG's. Also, the sherman spam, specially with armor company buffs, make it that theoreticly, you can win with three units in your company:
Riflemen, shermans and ATG's. (I think Two did a very good try with this, had a mortar and a HMG I think ,but mostly riflemen and shermans + ATG spam, raped tbh >< )

I'm just saying, I don't 100% agree with it, but I can see why people really, really have trouble winning from allied players atm. (I might add that most of the "pro's" play allied atm, I once was on, three games, two 3v3's and 1 2v2, all full of allied, and I didn't encounter 1 allied with more losses than wins (Some of the stats: 17 wins 4 losses, 9 wins 1 loss, 7 wins 4 losses etc) It was quite scary tbh...

Sorry, bit of a semi useless post, should not really post when mindnumbing tired, but it's SO COMPELLING!

[pqumsieh]

the strategy that seems to be working to counter this is mortar/light arty spam by wehr/pe. This seems to be your best bet atm, try it out and try and work in some advances with it.

in other words, fire a nebel barrage and send in some infantry with Pak support to do more damage on suppressed infantry.

PQ

[wittman420]

lionel i dont know what your talking about saying the american armor has no reliable anti-light vehicle counter, when pumas get owned by rifelmen just shoting at them with no upgrades. think about it. and if thats not good enough for u a shermen will do just fine against a puma it wont miss like a p4 misses at a t17 and it takes less shot to kill the puma also. or more like all light vehicle in the axis army.

[Illegal_Carrot]

if shermans were locked out by marders and your ATG was killed

What if my MP40s are locked out by Shermans and my mortar gets killed?
If something like that happens, it's your fault for not playing well enough, not a balance issue.
And I'm not necessarily against Rifles getting 'Zooks, but saying that Armor has no reliable anti-LV seems very silly to me.
Pumas, HTs and other LVs get owned by almost anything Allies have in 2-3 shots.

[wittman420]

zooks on riflemen in armor doc=stupidness TBFH

[Smokaz]

Sounds like some people have been losing games to some gimmick companies. Live and learn, or rather in this case: Die and learn.

As for lionel, you are completely wrong that armor doesnt have a light vehicle counter. A m18 one shots (1 shots 1 shots 1 shots) a armored car sometimes, and leaves a puma at what, 10% health? M10 also has fairly decent accuracy against these units.

Armor has seen a vast improvement as a doctrine. Finally it gives it's infantry some decent support and has powerful abilities not solely dedicated to repair cheese.

Same for brits, staghounds pretty much tank a upgun puma because it has so much health. T17's more or less beat them unless its a completely static 1v1.

I think we all need to give the 1 zook riflemen for armor a little more time to decide if it brings too much to armor. The only main change for armor is that it tanks now supports its infantry better for maximum rifle/vehicle/armor blob synergy. Armor is also the doctrine that easily gets targeted for mass whining because if you win the tank/at war, infantry are pretty much helpless to stop tanks/light vehicles with support.

[wittman420]

Yea your right smokaz, i might have spoken too early 

[lionel23]

Say that to the last game we played where all my allies were overrun by light vehicles after their handful of TDs/Shermans were forced off or destroyed by light AT HTs and supporting vehicles as the mass of armored cars come in and proceed to rape much faces.  Sadly by the end of the game I was one of the few amongst this team of 4 to still have AT throughout the game.

Anyway I'm just giving my opinion guys, and I'm not saying, Smokaz, anything bad about the Armor company if that's what you think?  I think Bazooka infantry is a fine addition to an otherwise overly anti-inf focus on riflemen which is what generally happens with armor company (no doctrine infantry for hand-held AT, so for anti tank it has to rely on tanks or ATGs, both could be notorious in hitting light vehicles just like paks are against allied light vehicles sometimes).

I think people just need to live and learn, not just rely on the old mass blob tactics.  Example is like with my assault rangers now, people throwing out 4 shrek 'blob' squads to counter that... and wonder why they are vulnerable to tanks later... got to use the right units for the right job, that's all.  Give it time guys - as the all knowing Smokaz says - to see how this all pans out.  And remember, he can take you out of the book of life!!!!

[Evilnrg]

Most armor company wil have maybe 4-6 bazooka since their ammo is used for tanks t17 m8

And a rifle spam is just a fun company it easily countered

[Fresz]

HMGs and LMGs dosent work, well I should have 10 squads of them to work whitch is waste of ammo... Ostwind gets owned by bazooka... HMG even if it suppress there are still so many of them that some of guys will shot at mg and in result kill them...

As u can see on replay we were going fine but amout of stuff they had ... In the end I still had tone of stuff left...

Well thanks for coments I will try some tactics next time.