Giving armor zooks was a horrible idea, thread attempt #2

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[Smokaz]

Giving armor zooks was a horrible idea. Still is.

[Unkn0wn]

Wow, what a great constructive thread.

[Mukip]

At least the infantry doc doesn't have bazookas now.  That was a horrible idea too.

[shockcoil]

I concur

[Smokaz]

http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=14365.0

 

It can still try to be constructive, barring unkn0wns griefing.

[Two]

Inf doc doesnt have zookas?

[Smokaz]

Inf doc doesnt have zookas?

Inf has zookas.

[Unkn0wn]

And buffs affecting the infantry, so they're much better off than the armour doc will ever be.

[Smokaz]

List up the defensive buffs that you can give infantry rifles vs armor rifles by doctrine abilities. And the buffs that improve zooks for infantry rifles, thx.

[Unkn0wn]

There's too many to list for infantry and only one (in a radius near vehicles) to list for armour.
You're the one trying to proof something is wrong, it's your responsibility to back up your claims.

As long as you don't do that this discussion ain't going anywhere.

[3rdCondor]

Inf should have zookas because they don't have armor buffs.

Armor shouldn't have zookas because they DO have armor buffs.

There needs to be balance between doctrines instead of Armor with anti tank up the ass crack and infantry with no zookas at all.

[CrazyWR]

Smokaz, no matter how many times you post this, it doesn't change the fact that A) zooks suck, B) in armor doc, the rifles get 0 buffs unless go down the worst tree, and even then they are limited compared to infantry, and C) you only get 1 zook per rifle.

Hence, its a waste of an unlock.

[Smokaz]

Smokaz, no matter how many times you post this, it doesn't change the fact that A) zooks suck, B) in armor doc, the rifles get 0 buffs unless go down the worst tree, and even then they are limited compared to infantry, and C) you only get 1 zook per rifle.

Hence, its a waste of an unlock.

I wish we could check how many % armor players in the game have this unlocked so I could smack your face with the number.

Zooks are not bad, how many replays or games do I have to play where they are exactly the opposite of bad before people accept it.

[CafeMilani]

crazy if zooks suck for you then ur the sucker tbfh.
good micro=deadtanks

its not like RRs (badmicro=deadtanks)

[lionel23]

The fact of the matter zooks are considered one of the worst AT weapons hence their low pricing (compared to RRs, Piats, and Shreks).  You get very little doctrine buffing with Armor Doctrine other than being able to carry one.

Why should Armor Doctrine get it you ask?  Well, with the fuel and vehicle reduction going on, it's like saying all three armor trees only buff the Pershing and that's it.  You field 90% of your company with infantry and that 1 tank (using this as an exaggerated example).  You lose that one/two pershing and now your company is pretty much naked unless you're spamming mass ATGs.  They need the riflemen bazooka to give good synergy with their basic medium tanks to fight axis medium and heavy tanks (it rewards flanking/micro, as opposed to RRs which you can pretty much snipe away).  You can pling all you want with a bazooka into the front of a skirted stug, very very low chance it will ever penetrate.  And by taking bazookas, he has no BARs and they can easily be hard countered by assault or long range infantry (they have minor AV versatility over impress AI power).  And again, it is a doctrine unlock and not every armor player may take it, just like every infantry player may not take the assault teams or an american officer or howitzer.

[NightRain]

4 zooks nearly insta kills a Hetzer if they hit on its rear armor...I hardly think Zook is crap at all. I think it is far more cost effective than 1 RR/PIAT/Shreck can ever be. 55 Munition. With that you can skip 57mm entirely and field an army of Zooks- pretty much what Smokaz is doing at the moment. Where you need those ATGs anyway? IF you REALLY need an ATG- recrew one, you have an army of rifles with zooks to do that.

[Smokaz]

Zook isnt a bad, its just best against rear/side armor, unskirted targets  etc. Its more accurate than the RR against pumas and AC's.

FOR cost, its genious.

[Demon767]

Fine. price increase so they are less spammable and have to be used properly

[CrazyWR]

Smokaz, no matter how many times you post this, it doesn't change the fact that A) zooks suck, B) in armor doc, the rifles get 0 buffs unless go down the worst tree, and even then they are limited compared to infantry, and C) you only get 1 zook per rifle.

Hence, its a waste of an unlock.

I wish we could check how many % armor players in the game have this unlocked so I could smack your face with the number.

Zooks are not bad, how many replays or games do I have to play where they are exactly the opposite of bad before people accept it.

play one vs a competent team and post it.  Not against players clearly beneath you

[CafeMilani]

two and skaffa are bad? thats an insult tbh