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[Smokaz]

AB pool cost recently reduced from 4 for AB and 3 for ABR to 3 and 2.

What does the playerbase think of this change?

Are companies more or less only consisting of airborne units for infantry support a balance problem? Or has EIRR finally given players what they several times asked for, the possibility to run pure "themed" ab companies.

To groundfire: 4 pps man. I'm sure I could have grinded up 4 pps :9

[Groundfire]

I think you need to grind it out to test effectively.

[Mysthalin]

I don't really think it's an issue : airborne are still very expensive resource wise, and they're quite easy to attrition via the use of mainline infantry(volks and grens).

[Two]

I like the change, when i go AB i want a AB themed company and now i can do that without AB being my only inf.

[CafeMilani]

I don't really think it's an issue : airborne are still very expensive resource wise, and they're quite easy to attrition via the use of mainline infantry(volks and grens).

its gets a doctrine when some vetwhore vets them all up to vet3 and heals them 24/7
ABs are still quite hard to kill...

+ doctrine unlocks like Raid (+6pop) do not make it easier

[Mysthalin]

If vet and healing are the issues - then I do believe the vet and the healing will be considered for getting nerfed. Fix the issue, not go around it ;p.

[Groundfire]

I dont think its that much of an issue either.

Just that if we want to throughly test this pool change, it shouldnt be on test companies where you get the free PPs to oversupply, just to see how many AB you can fit into your company.

It's like tossing the availbility system out the window then. My real AB accnt has 5 normal AB and 5 AB rifles. That seems pretty themed to me.

I can fit in 1 more AB squad before i start oversupplying, and it is at this point IMO that is when AB get stupid.

Maybe we should keep the oversupply cost at 4 for AB and 3 for AB rifles keep that spam barrier in place.

You can oversupply your AB, but you wont have the PPs for SPs and doct. abilities, or reduce the AB and improve your co.

Using test accounts to test this avoids this wall, and we get the wrong impression of balance.

Just my opinion.

[Smokaz]

I dont think its that much of an issue either.

Just that if we want to throughly test this pool change, it shouldnt be on test companies where you get the free PPs to oversupply, just to see how many AB you can fit into your company.

It's like tossing the availbility system out the window then. My real AB accnt has 5 normal AB and 5 AB rifles. That seems pretty themed to me.

I can fit in 1 more AB squad before i start oversupplying, and it is at this point IMO that is when AB get stupid.

Maybe we should keep the oversupply cost at 4 for AB and 3 for AB rifles keep that spam barrier in place.

You can oversupply your AB, but you wont have the PPs for SPs and doct. abilities, or reduce the AB and improve your co.

Using test accounts to test this avoids this wall, and we get the wrong impression of balance.

Just my opinion.

See thats your opinion of themed. What a lot of players were asking for, was the possibility to purely spam ab as their inf, therefore the pool cost reduction, apparently the ability to run ab types as all your inf was the type of theme they were looking for ;P

and you STILL go on about this oversupply business, completely ignoring that I was 4 pps (4!) oversupplied on infantry

[Groundfire]

you couldve pushed it further without effort tbh. Im just thinking ahead. 4PPs becomes something when you actually have to grind and your only making 10 per game on average.

Try building your company 6 PPs at a time... I would rip my hair out.

4 pps over is still 2 more BAR rifle squads.

[Smokaz]

not without fielding a one-dimensional company that was easy to counter, mixing in some crocs,m8s, m18s is what makes it viable.. purist ab spam would get raped by a few mg42's and flamers w/ a puma or two.. what i'm kinda prefering would be a hardcap, the availability system doesnt work, the grind for pps to make your uber doom nasty endgame company is trite at best,

i'll let others talk now

[Groundfire]

Fuck hardcaps.

I have no problem with people running their 15 AB themed company, but their company growth should be reduced to a crawl to compensate.

You should have to find a happy middle ground.

[Smokaz]

Fuck hardcaps.

I have no problem with people running their 15 AB themed company, but their company growth should be reduced to a crawl to compensate.

You should have to find a happy middle ground.

So in other words, the pool cost is too low in your opinion? Cause 4 pps to grab 17 ab type inf, isn't exactly reducing anyone to a crawl..

[Mysthalin]

Like I said on the BA boards - your company seems very underequiped at AT duty and in general seems unviable, smokaz. 5 RRs and 4 hellcats? I don't exactly see you doing much against a 3/4 pak 5 P4 coy - and that's just one of the most basic companies.

[Smokaz]

this is sooo theorycrafting, myst. i'd have 0 problems with p4s using cover and smoke or whatever to handle it, and cloak gayness with m18s. im questioning if being able to field that much ab infantry is good for balance, not saying its LOLWTFPWN unbeatable

[BigDick]

greate make my ABs more rape

can we chance the price of ab rifleman to something like 240MP and/or the bar price to 65 mun since it get no supression or keep bar price on ab rifles and add suppression fire?

[Mysthalin]

If you're asking whether it's balanced, then of course I'll provide my insights as to why I think it's not an actually powerful company? Fairly logical, no?

[vivie5]

To quote directly from another thread..

"(AB easy company T4 +25%HP +10% damage +5 sight -60sec fireup recharge, no fireup exhaustion, no reduced LOS while fireup...not considering the other buffs in that tree like +6 more pop +20% more penetration on at weapons and infantry squads get +20HP)" - Bigdick

Looking at all those benefits stacked upon a unit that you can spam its pretty silly. I cant bring to mind any other doctrine that does this much for its infantry. Infantry are also very easy to keep alive in terms of the preservation of vet.

I think while a full airborne army may be what people want to field, in the current environment its silly OP

[BigDick]

thx for quoting me but the ABs are very expensive...to expensive imho they should get a price decrease
as i said to 240MP for ab rifles to put them in line with grenadiers
and 65 mun for the bar to make equal to mp40 because they get no suppression

[Unkn0wn]

Hey look, bigdick is pushing a biased allied agenda for a change.

[Mysthalin]

I'm pretty sure he's being sarcastic, unknown.