Pershing vs Tiger docterine buff thread

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[Malevolence]

talking about real life

Yeah, in terms of gun.
King Tiger > Panther > Pershing > Tiger

On the contrary, the Pershing's gun when using similar APCBC shells had a penetration value between 4.5 and 5.25 (roughly) inches at 1000 meters against your standard 30 degree from vertical plate, which exceeds the average penetration value for the Panther's gun by roughly 10 millimeters. This number exceeds the Panther's 75mm gun at approximately all ranges by the same value, except that the American targeting optics were better than those used by the Germans, resulting in a much higher likelihood of a hit at those ranges.

Further, American supplies of re-treated Armor Piercing shells (with a higher average penetration value) and most especially High Velocity Armor Piercing shells (with an absolutely absurd penetration value) were much, much higher than similar armor-piercing shell types made by the Germans, which by 1944 were all but spent with very few replacements on the way.

Your average comparison, therefore, would be by a quite different margin, given your average Pershing's first shell up the chute would be HVAP and the the first for your average Panther would likely be APCBC, giving the Pershing a penetration difference at 1000 meters of roughly 90mm of armor (200 vs 110). At 800 meters a Pershing could easily penetrate any part of a Panther's front armor, whereas at 800 meters the Pershing would be (nearly) totally impervious.


So yeah. I would reverse the order of Panther and Pershing there. Yay statistics!

[Mysthalin]

Real life RGDs ftw.

[Demon767]

talking about real life

Yeah, in terms of gun.
King Tiger > Panther > Pershing > Tiger

On the contrary, the Pershing's gun when using similar APCBC shells had a penetration value between 4.5 and 5.25 (roughly) inches at 1000 meters against your standard 30 degree from vertical plate, which exceeds the average penetration value for the Panther's gun by roughly 10 millimeters. This number exceeds the Panther's 75mm gun at approximately all ranges by the same value, except that the American targeting optics were better than those used by the Germans, resulting in a much higher likelihood of a hit at those ranges.

Further, American supplies of re-treated Armor Piercing shells (with a higher average penetration value) and most especially High Velocity Armor Piercing shells (with an absolutely absurd penetration value) were much, much higher than similar armor-piercing shell types made by the Germans, which by 1944 were all but spent with very few replacements on the way.

Your average comparison, therefore, would be by a quite different margin, given your average Pershing's first shell up the chute would be HVAP and the the first for your average Panther would likely be APCBC, giving the Pershing a penetration difference at 1000 meters of roughly 90mm of armor (200 vs 110). At 800 meters a Pershing could easily penetrate any part of a Panther's front armor, whereas at 800 meters the Pershing would be (nearly) totally impervious.


So yeah. I would reverse the order of Panther and Pershing there. Yay statistics!

shaddduppp thats like bring a gun to a fist fight.

American patriotism never fails

[panzerman]

americans fail at shooting it like shoot as many bullets as we can and hope to hit something lawl!

tiger I, pershing, and panther are all at par in realistic combat situations...
all easily penetrate each others armour in regular combat distance of 1000m or less.

though the panther and pershing guns due to higher velocity are more accurate
german crews were also better trained and mainly veterans meaing first shot principals german armour are more likely to get the kill.

tiger II was just big and fat and has a OMGWTFBBQ! gun of with a high caliber it was more like a slow panther than a tiger.

[NightRain]

who needs tanks if you got aircraft

[Mysthalin]

Who needs tanks if you have volks?

[panzerman]

or anti tank dogs!

[Mysthalin]

volks > dogs, tbh.

I mean, volks are expendable, whereas dogs are cute and therefore you can't use them as minesweepers.

[NightRain]

Mysthalins Volksgrenadiers in real life

[Unkn0wn]

Yea gj mysth, using children as mine detectors.

[Mysthalin]

Thx.

[CafeMilani]

russian style

[Mysthalin]

Honestly though, the one on the left and the one in the center seem like cool kids - the one on the right is ugly. He'd be the one taking minesweeper duty.

[Draken]

Mysthalins Volksgrenadiers in real life

Retard it's photo from Warsaw uprising.

And they are wearing uniforms from german unifrom storage from Warsaw, or from killed germans.

And if you didn't noticed girl on the left has ss unifrom and other 2 grenadier unis.

[Mysthalin]

I think that girl was cute when she was like 16-18 or so.

[smurfORnot]

I'd do her...

[Unkn0wn]

Let's get back on topic quickly lol

[deadbolt]

I think that girl was cute when she was like 16-18 or so.

before she was raped you mean.

[Mysthalin]

Let's get back on topic quickly lol

I'm guessing the topic is the one that's stated in the topic of my post?

I mean, honestly - Pershings not having enough choise of buffs in Armour?

[Malevolence]

tiger I, pershing, and panther are all at par in realistic combat situations...
all easily penetrate each others armour in regular combat distance of 1000m or less.

At 800 meters a Pershing could easily penetrate any part of a Panther's front armor, whereas at 800 meters the Pershing would be (nearly) totally impervious.

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