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[SX23]

One of them non-buffed beats p4 if both players can manage their tanks.
Two of them with buffs EASILY beats a panther.
One of them beat a shreck squad due to crush.
The only reliable counter is therefor paks/50mm. But due to relative m10 low pop, they die to mass rifles blob.

M10 needs a nerf right now.

Not to mention armor tree buffs...
Survivability of a sherman, at capability of a 57mm with at rounds, dmg ratio higher than a panther, and even lower pop.

[wildsolus]

i'm sorry but you lost me at 1 m10 beats 1 p4.

you realize it's a TANK hunter right?

[SX23]

i'm sorry but you lost me at 1 m10 beats 1 p4.

you realize it's a TANK hunter right?

I'm aware of that. The fact is that a m10 can also quite easily beat a panther (Also a tank hunter, and way more priced) if teamed and crush infantry way too easily due to it's speed.

[EliteGren]

An M10 can easly beat a Panther? That's new to me. If you mean 2 then yes, but you also pay more resources,

[Spartan_Marine88]

An M10 can easly beat a Panther? That's new to me. If you mean 2 then yes, but you also pay more resources,

Oh yes two m10's can beat a panther, but then again where is the Panthers support?

[SX23]

An M10 can easly beat a Panther? That's new to me. If you mean 2 then yes, but you also pay more resources,

Erhm...

QUOTING MYSELF: Two of them with buffs EASILY beats a panther.

An M10 can easly beat a Panther? That's new to me. If you mean 2 then yes, but you also pay more resources,

Oh yes two m10's can beat a panther, but then again where is the Panthers support?

Problem with m10 is that it can aswell beat anything else easily. Not to mention the m10 suicide rush on p4's and others. Not to mention crush that kills off infantry. Just like that... A panther : you realize it's a TANK hunter right?

[wildsolus]

and a buffed panther being microd easily beats 2 m10's

[AlterFrax]

I play both factions, and personally I've never raged over the M10. It's a tank hunter SX, and if you seriously are having that many problems, start mixing your strategies up. Like pile a shreck squad into a clown car and move it along with your panther, or something. Jeez.

[EliteGren]

QUOTING MYSELF: Two of them with buffs EASILY beats a panther.

Yep, and there is nothing wrong with that.

[MittinsKittens]

Sounds a little off too me...I think?
Should be (Panther)610MP 500Fuel>(2xM10)600 320Fuel
Although, Whats the range on the M10's like compared to the M10's? If the range is longer for the Panther (Which I can't see why it wouldn't be...), then I don't actually see the problem, Just back your panther up and support it with another tank or some AT
If you're getting butt raped and your not moving to try and combat the two, you kinda deserve to lose the Panther ^^

[LeoPhone]

m10 range is 45, panther range is 47.5. you hardly notice.

[MittinsKittens]

Oh... I really need to learn how some of these units work :<
Well, The M10's will be penetrating a lot less the Panther I guess then, so the Panther isn't truly F'ed, Just keep backing up and shooting and get some support ¬¬'

[LeoPhone]

check this topic if you want to know more about unit stats in eir: http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=14995.0

and because of the panther's speed you can indeed kite, but you have to back off into support or you will still die coz panther speed is 5.2 while m10 speed is 6.8.
m10 gun has 0.36 chanse to penetrate panther's front and will do 140.625 dmg per hit. panther's health is 742
average damage per shot is 68.545.

[Tymathee]

basically. Panther penetrates m10 100% of the time, m10 penetrates 50% of the time. The m-10 is supposed to be used like that, it's a hard hitter. Heck, if u manage ur m10 right. u can beat a p4 1v1 a take nary a scratch because of its range. The issue is, people dont run their tanks back towards AT when an m10 runs at them, they try to take it on by themself because they know its weak but then they get beat, i always run my tanks back towards any AT i've got or i've already got at round it.

[Spartan_Marine88]

basically. Panther penetrates m10 100% of the time, m10 penetrates 50% of the time. The m-10 is supposed to be used like that, it's a hard hitter. Heck, if u manage ur m10 right. u can beat a p4 1v1 a take nary a scratch because of its range. The issue is, people dont run their tanks back towards AT when an m10 runs at them, they try to take it on by themself because they know its weak but then they get beat, i always run my tanks back towards any AT i've got or i've already got at round it.

Hell instead of running to AT, they charge my M-10 and usually end up running to MY at

[gamesguy2]

M10 penetration against panther's front armor is a lot less 1/2, more like 1/3.

[MittinsKittens]

So yeah, I was right, Just keep backing it up and the M10's shouldn't be a problem :3

[LeoPhone]

basically. Panther penetrates m10 100% of the time, m10 penetrates 50% of the time. The m-10 is supposed to be used like that, it's a hard hitter. Heck, if u manage ur m10 right. u can beat a p4 1v1 a take nary a scratch because of its range. The issue is, people dont run their tanks back towards AT when an m10 runs at them, they try to take it on by themself because they know its weak but then they get beat, i always run my tanks back towards any AT i've got or i've already got at round it.

fucking great tym, right above my post:

check this topic if you want to know more about unit stats in eir: http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=14995.0

and because of the panther's speed you can indeed kite, but you have to back off into support or you will still die coz panther speed is 5.2 while m10 speed is 6.8.
m10 gun has 0.36 chanse to penetrate panther's front and will do 140.625 dmg per hit. panther's health is 742
average damage per shot is 68.545.

[Jodomar]

well playing on both sides i think it is a little stupid that you can spam 5 to 6 m10s. They are great tanks killers and good anti inf with its crush. I think something needs to be done and that something should be an increase in the m10s pool value this way if you want to have 5 you will be paying pp for it.

[Groundfire]

well playing on both sides i think it is a little stupid that you can spam 5 to 6 m10s. They are great tanks killers and good anti inf with its crush. I think something needs to be done and that something should be an increase in the m10s pool value this way if you want to have 5 you will be paying pp for it.

so wait, you can easily have 5 P4s, but if I want 5 m10s i have to pay oversupply?

Ridiculious.