[PE] 50mm ht vs. at gun acc

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[Hydro]

I played some against, and as PE and I have some conclusions:
-marder compared to it just sucks and is not completely worth its cost
-50mm at ht ammo cost is 10 ammo less than shreck.

But it's not about that some units of PE need some love

It's about 50mm accuracy vs anti tank guns. I realise that it should kill tanks etc and it hasn't treadbreaker or focuse fire, but it shouldn't be used as counter to at guns. It nearly no miss at guns and kill them in 3 shots. HT's should be counterable by at guns, but not otherwise.

[NightRain]

ATGs have better chance winning a 50mm than 50mm vs it. It is a PAK38 that has wheels

[Uglysori]

It's raw numbers games. The game in question I was probably using 2-3 50mm versus your half-life ATG.  It takes 3 50mm shots to kill a full-health ATG, it takes 2-3 ATG shots depending on AP rounds to kill a 50mm. It's usually a very bad trade to use less than 3 50mm hts vs a single ATG unless the ATG is distracted or already damaged given how fuel starved PE usually is.  If there are two ATGs in the area facing the right direction it's almost impossible to win that fight unless your running triple Vet 2+ hts and u have a spotter.

[kwiatekkek]

use jeeps,always fac the threat.

GG 50 mms

[Hydro]

ATGs have better chance winning a 50mm than 50mm vs it. It is a PAK38 that has wheels

Actually I saw that pak has bigger problems with hitting at gun than at ht

[rifle87654]

ATGs have better chance winning a 50mm than 50mm vs it. It is a PAK38 that has wheels

It can't CLOAK!

[Mysthalin]

the pak is in every way superior in both accuracy and penetration(and even damage) compare to the 50mm ATHT.

[sgMisten]

It's raw numbers games. The game in question I was probably using 2-3 50mm versus your half-life ATG.  

This is the main reason.

50mm ATHTs excel at head-oning ATGs because u can focus fire with several of them. You can't do that with ATGs because that's asking for arty/mortar decrewing of those ATGs.

[Firesparks]

the pak is in every way superior in both accuracy and penetration(and even damage) compare to the 50mm ATHT.

the gun on the pak is mostly identical to the one on the 50mm atht. The only difference I've noticed is the pak fires a bit faster (~one seconds), slightly longer range (60 vs 55) and have ambush bonus.

 

[Mysthalin]

And ambush bonus covers what? Accuracy(1.25 acc) Pen (5x Pen) and Damage (1.25 dmg).

Firing faster equals more DPS, and more range means you're just flat out better ;p.

So, like I've said - pak gun is in every way superior to the 50mm's gun.

[Heartmann]

The real advantage with 50mm is fisrt its much mor versitlie unit and it cant be decrewd by mortar rounds, this works both ways ofc beeing ince the vec is dead you cant reuse it. I still think its better than pak or at gun, but thats as i like beeing offensive

[Firesparks]

The real advantage with 50mm is fisrt its much mor versitlie unit and it cant be decrewd by mortar rounds, this works both ways ofc beeing ince the vec is dead you cant reuse it.

you normally decrew pak gun by using small arms, grenade, or mortar, all of which are much less effective against Ht. The same thing that will destroy a ht will also destroy a pak as well.

You can also repair the HT.  

And ambush bonus covers what? Accuracy(1.25 acc) Pen (5x Pen) and Damage (1.25 dmg).

Firing faster equals more DPS, and more range means you're just flat out better ;p.

So, like I've said - pak gun is in every way superior to the 50mm's gun.

Even if the pak gun is superior simply due to the awesomeness of ambush, the 50mm at ht still carry a very potent gun.

From what I've seen, the 57mm doesn't act as a direct hard counter to the 50mm atht. Normally the 57mm will win, but that's mostly due to the 57mm's much better DPS. It's like sending a 76mmto kill a pziv. You usually need at least two 50mm atht to kill a 57mm. 

[Mysthalin]

Set a 57mm vs a 50mm ATHT - and it'll generally win quite handily. The true reason why 50mms seem to be doing bettter is because people use them in pairs. But all it takes to counter that is setting up a pair of 57mms - and the balance shifts in the US player's favor yet again .