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[AlbatrossCafe]

Something drastic needs to be done. I'm not sure what, but something.

I have played about 60 games as PE with my axis account. Despite having 1.5-2/1 automatch win/loss ratios in normal COH automatch, I have about 1/2 win/loss in EiR with that account. Even though I'm rank 9 and have loads of upgrades, abilties, units, and vet, I continually lose to allies. Even those that are rank 2 or 3. I figured that after 60 games, I would have had it figured out.

Just to make sure I wasn't just a whining sore-loser of an axis player, I decided to make an account with the Brits to see what it is like from the other side. I was amazed. My first time in EiR playing with allies, with no vet and no upgrades of any kind, me and my other rank 1 US partner were easily able to defeat a pair of level 8 wehrmacht opponents. Included in their army was 2 tigers, vet 3 storms, a flak and 2 stukas. It was so surprisingly easy, I wondered, "how could anyone who had any sliver of skill ever lose as an allied team?"

A combination of endless infantry, far-reaching anti-tank guns,  and ridiculously effective light vehicles make for a sure win nearly everytime. And of course, you cannot forget the crushing power of the flank-speed, 2 population cromwell command tank and the m10 tank destroyer, which should in all honesty be renamed the "m10 infantry bulldozer." At one point, my partner and I rammed a command tank and an m10 head-on right into one another, with 10 volksgrenadiers sandwhiched in between. We effectively crunched 8 of them between our two hulls.

I was just wondering if I was the only one that feels this way. Point of this post: -ALLIES ARE OP-

[Demon767]

no just l2p as axis

when i first started out i had a 30/120 W/L with my PE acc, took me that long to learn. i will post up a replay of me playing axis with no vet, no abilities and with teammates with no vet and no abilities beat down allies with tonnes of vet, lvl 9 accounts and incredibly large amount of infantry. you might learn something. (AT the end of the game the allies start saying axis are OP because we beat them down so hard with just pure skill)

[Demon767]

http://www.filefront.com/16986845/temp.rec

http://www.filefront.com/16986855/EuropeInRuinsBattle.sga

ok temp file in your /my documents/coh/playback folder

and battle.sga in your coh/europeinruins/archive

watch and learn

[jackmccrack]

IMO PE has always had the hardest time against allies

[Demon767]

yes, agreed with jack. yall gonna need loads of experience in eir before you start to learn and be able to evovle your company to suit eir's metagame as PE

[SnoOp]

I went 17-0 with PE w/o a doctrine...its not that difficult tbfh.

[jackmccrack]

yeah but you're snoop

[bbsmith]

Snoop gives candy.

[Demon767]

I went 17-0 with PE w/o a doctrine...its not that difficult to stack tbfh.

fixed

[SnoOp]

Hahaha =P suprisingly that was the account I didnt stack on tbh, maybe 2-3 but the rest were random games.

[SX23]

You all fail to see the point don't you?
I'm incredibly bad as allies and I still have, and that quite easily, a 2:1 ratio on EVERY serious allied account.
As an example, me and cannonball won a game where not only i did incredibly bad, but we were a lvl 1 and 3 against a lvl 9 and 7.
 I mean, is it normal that you need to be REALLY good as axis to actually have a fair game?
Or is a mod where you need to be extremly good as axis to compensate the allies gameplay is considered as "balanced" nowadays?

[Demon767]

i dont see how allies are in any way OP

[SX23]

i dont see how allies are in any way OP

Read the fucking thing i just posted.

Then compare to any other games/mods/coh-related things.
A lvl 1 (bad) and a lvl 3 (good) vs a lvl 9 (good) and a lvl 8 (good)
And the first ones wins each time?

I let you figure out what i mean.

[rifle87654]

Tiger are too slow and will be raped by stickies, out-ranged by fireflies.
Not good enough to fight a Pershing, which has a 90mm gun.
Bigger than the Tiger's 88.
Pershing: sloped armor.
Tiger: flat armor.

[gamesguy2]

i dont see how allies are in any way OP

Read the fucking thing i just posted.

Then compare to any other games/mods/coh-related things.
A lvl 1 (bad) and a lvl 3 (good) vs a lvl 9 (good) and a lvl 8 (good)
And the first ones wins each time?

I let you figure out what i mean.

I don't believe you, prove it.  Post the replay.

[DarkSoldierX]

50% less cooldown and reload. 35+ more pen 20% more damage and 15% more acc vs everything. 20% more pen on rrs and atg T2. Actualy useful doctrine abilities. Way better and more offmaps to makeup for lack of allied skill.

[Demon767]

i dont see how allies are in any way OP

Read the fucking thing i just posted.

Then compare to any other games/mods/coh-related things.
A lvl 1 (bad) and a lvl 3 (good) vs a lvl 9 (good) and a lvl 8 (good)
And the first ones wins each time?

I let you figure out what i mean.

i asked a fucking question, HOW ARE ALLIES OP. that means yall gonna have to use your head and note down every single OP allied unit compared to axis unit than come back to me. what you just said than means nothing to me. i got a lvl 1 axis acc and i beat down a lvl 9. 6's and 4's in that replay, what does that say? that Axis are OP cuz i just beat down doctrine abilities + Vet? does that mean Allies need a buff because i just beat down all there buffed units plus there vet? your reasoning fails.

[CommanderHolt]

I can't really comment on balance, but I can say this...

In general the Allies don't have that many "willing" players compared to the Axis, being the side with the "Cool" stuff and all. Most of the time I log on, there are tons of Axis sitting around, waiting for a game, with Allies few in between. This can lead into very good allies players picking whom they want to face as there really no shortage of axis running around.

[SX23]

Gameguys-- Ask cannonball, i don't think i still have the replay.

And still, I can easily have WAY betters allies stats (Almost 2:1) while being really bad at them than axis, on wich i'm, well, i'd say good and i can barely maintain a 1:1 ratio. Just to give an idea, in 0.06 i had 11:1 and now i can barely maintain 1:1.

The fact is still the same...
Allies are WAY easier to play at this moment.

The allies are OP in the terms that they are, look at leaderboard, WAY easier to play atm than axis.

[Demon767]

ok i will calm down now, can you suggest ways to balance allies?