The REAL Sherman Calliope

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[Tymathee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iarN9IPvwLg

Great story and those things were amazing. the 4.3 inch rocket had the power of a 105 Artillery Shell, lets you know that the Calliope in COH is vastly underpowered believe it or not. I also thought that it had to be all fired at once but the real calliope you could fire 1 rocket or all 60 over a minute (i guess 1 rocket a second)

[brn4meplz]

A group of Heavy guns still has the sustainable presence of firepower. Once your empty on the Calliope you've gott load up again and then barrage again. Gives the enemy quite the pause

[AmPM]

Underpowered compared to realism, like EVERY VEHICLE and GUN in COH! Tell me it ain't so! =)

[Spartan_Marine88]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iarN9IPvwLg

Great story and those things were amazing. the 4.3 inch rocket had the power of a 105 Artillery Shell, lets you know that the Calliope in COH is vastly underpowered believe it or not. I also thought that it had to be all fired at once but the real calliope you could fire 1 rocket or all 60 over a minute (i guess 1 rocket a second)

And a 25 pdr and howie could keep firing as long as it had shells if they kept a steady but not over fast pace

[Tymathee]

Underpowered compared to realism, like EVERY VEHICLE and GUN in COH! Tell me it ain't so! =)

Yeah I know but the callie is vastly underpowered at only 30 damage per rocket hit when the 105 howitzer, which is what the equiv of the 4.3 rocket is supposed to do does over 5 times that much. but yeah...panthers and tigers should be taking out most allied tanks in one shot yeah yeah i knwo heck, the pak is OVER powered, no way a 50mm shell could penetrate sherman armor the way it does.

[brn4meplz]

You'd have to sacrifice some HE for propellant so you wouldn't achieve the exact same results. But close. It's a better solution then trying to have your Artillery keep pace with Tanks though thats for sure

[AmPM]

Actually, outside of extreme range the PaK 38 could generate about a very high penetration rate, about 60% at 1500m. Now, realistically, the PaK 38 was out of main use by 1943, being replaced by the far more common PaK 40, which could penetrate almost any allied tank at any range.

Also, ATG's on all sides could basically 1 shot a tank.

[Spartan_Marine88]

Actually, outside of extreme range the PaK 38 could generate about a very high penetration rate, about 60% at 1500m. Now, realistically, the PaK 38 was out of main use by 1943, being replaced by the far more common PaK 40, which could penetrate almost any allied tank at any range.

Also, ATG's on all sides could basically 1 shot a tank.

also ATG's were very easy to cammo especially against tanks

[AmPM]

Yeap, and STuG's were fantastic, because its basically a PaK 40 in a well armored, low, maneuverable chassis.

Also, M10's took 2 minutes to rotate their turret 360 because it was hand cranked.

[Demon767]

lol wow ww2 sounds boring when you guys explain statistics 

[Demon767]

i cant even view the video

oh and never believe anything on the american history channel. complete and utter load of bullshit. Half the facts they present are horribly wrong

[Spartan_Marine88]

i cant even view the video

oh and never believe anything on the american history channel. complete and utter load of bullshit. Half the facts they present are horribly wrong

Canadian History Channel is pretty good usually, but the best place to get facts is usually from actually books

But as i say, if its a vet talking STFU and listen

[Demon767]

The only place is doing your own in depth research and analysing sources and information.

[Spartan_Marine88]

yep, but on the rating system anything written by or said by a vet is first hand (which is the most reliable) something written down by someone listening to a vet is accordingly second hand and not as reliable as sometimes flavoured by the writer. And anything after that is usually not at all reliable (usually the internet falls under that category) Although this video would normally fall under this category, i didn't see/hear the mans name said which means it can fall under suspicion of standin and thus not that reliable.

(although im pretty sure vid is genuine)

[Demon767]

primary source..
secondary source..

[brn4meplz]

I'll respect Vets for what they went through.
But you do need to draw the line somewhere. I was on Juno beach 6th June 2006 for their annual thing, and a veteran was speaking. He was an AAA gunner and according to him he was in an LCT for the morning. Said he spent his time shooting German planes out of the sky all morning long.

When in fact Luftwaffe records confirm only 2 pilots in the Normandy area for the day 6th june.(and it was a single strafe)

So while I respect the man you do need to look at everything said

[salan]

lol .. poor guy is probably old enough for the dementia..

[VERTIGGO]

Yeah I know but the callie is vastly underpowered at only 30 damage per rocket hit when the 105 howitzer, which is what the equiv of the 4.3 rocket is supposed to do does over 5 times that much. but yeah...panthers and tigers should be taking out most allied tanks in one shot yeah yeah i knwo heck, the pak is OVER powered, no way a 50mm shell could penetrate sherman armor the way it does.

Sherman Hull Front (Upper) :   51mm @ 35° - 53° (thickest spot)

Penetration Data for the 50mm PaK 38 L / 60
100m: 130mm    500m: 72mm

oh and never believe anything on the american history channel. complete and utter load of bullshit. Half the facts they present are horribly wrong

+1

But as i say, if its a vet talking STFU and listen

I'm a vet, and I saw history re-written all different ways. I also know how easy it would be to exaggerate my own tales. That said I will always have a general respect for the guys who fought WW2.

[acker]

Penetration Data for the 50mm PaK 38 L / 60
100m: 130mm    500m: 72mm

You're looking at the tungsten APCR values, not the normal AP ones. Germany was out of APCR by 1944.

http://www.freeweb.hu/gva/weapons/german_guns3.html

[VERTIGGO]

You're looking at the tungsten APCR values, not the normal AP ones. Germany was out of APCR by 1944.

http://www.freeweb.hu/gva/weapons/german_guns3.html

Fair enough. Good stuff. However, even with the "regular" AP, the sherman would have to remain a kilometer away to avoid 100% penetration... a distance we only dream of in CoH