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Author Topic: HOPE JERRY DON'T MIND US DROPPING IN  (Read 12307 times)
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Illegal_Carrot Offline
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« on: October 11, 2010, 09:07:05 pm »

In response to a lot of balance complaints recently, some mods have threatened to switch some units around (ie switching Wehr's PaK 38 with the US's 57mm) in order to show the whiners what they're really talking about, and to give everyone a bit of perspective on balance issues that affect core gameplay. Many seemed to be in favor of such a change, myself included, so I was pleasantly surprised to see that such experimental changes had been implemented, yet to an even greater degree.

To show these crybabies what they were really complaining about, the devs took various abilities in EiRR, and conveniently put them all into one doctrine: Airborne. I didn't think it would be possible, but the devs did an amazing job of fitting nearly every OP ability in for all of us to experiment with.

The big ones are obvious: 57mm ATGs can cloak just like their Wehr counterparts (Mortars and MGs can, too, just for the hell of it!), Airborne Medics can heal friendly troops, just like a Triage or CCS, but can also move around the battlefield (perhaps to represent the mobility that Medkits have to offer), AB can plant mines, just like troops from the Infantry doctrine, and best of all: Rifles and AB get assault grenades! Man, do I love how a single AB squad can wipe out a full health KCH squad. That'll show those whiney Axis fuckers!

But the true beauty of the Airborne doctrine comes from its more subtle aspects. The '101st Airborne' tree allows AB to take a direct tank shot to the face and survive, just like Axis KCH infantry can. It also grants ATGs and RRs +20% penetration. With even Skirted tanks dying in just a few volleys, it really shows those Axis meanies what it's like to lose an M10 to some marauding Stormtroopers. The tree even gives the player +6 Pop, more than any other doctrine, just so that they can experiment with even more stuff at once!

Honorable mentions go to Airborne Marksmen (because a normal Allied Sniper just isn't enough), and All Ghillied Up, which lets AB and AB Rifles cloak while stationary (it's like FJ cloak, but even better!).

The coups de grâce, though, comes from an ability I touched on earlier: Asymmetric Warfare. This ability basically turns any and all infantry units the AB player runs into mobile I WIN buttons, anywhere and anytime. At first I wondered what the devs were trying to tell us with this ability. The suppression breaking effects from Assault were there, as was the ability to make enemy units overdose on a large amount grenades to the face. But after some pondering, I realized that there was much, much more: the units are unsuppressable like Fire Up, fire Bazookas like Rangers, rapid fire said Bazooks like they were affected by Inspired Assault or Blitzkrieg, throw a half dozen grenades like Assault or a Satchel like an AB squad, on an individual unit based cooldown, and all for free (just like the freedoms we enjoy in this great country AMERICA).

I think the devs have done a great job in putting some of these abilities into perspective, and in doing so, have shown us how these abilities should never seriously be put together in the same doctrine.
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Demon767 Offline
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2010, 09:26:23 pm »

im lost. what are you trying to say?
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2010, 09:28:54 pm »

It's either he's joking or he's saying AB is OP... not sure which.
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2010, 09:48:52 pm »

Yep, hes complaining about a broken Doctrine being... broken?  I think?
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2010, 10:20:01 pm »

Die Axis!!
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2010, 10:29:07 pm »

Similar to terror i assume...

I would like to see3terror vs 3AB...

Tobadlittletono ppl play AB
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2010, 10:34:23 pm »

Carrot, beastly effort but airborne is kinda meh compared to inf. Dont be surprised by infantry players running damage control!
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2010, 10:47:36 pm »

my kangaroo Cry
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2010, 11:45:12 pm »

Some people seem to have trouble deciphering my mystical message. It's alright, I was once in the 3rd grade, too.

Airborne = OP. Blatantly so. Whoever came up with all this shit is a moron. And whoever gave them the green light is an even bigger moron.

And the fact that it remained so for so long, without being properly fixed, balanced or outright replaced is astonishing. I understand that the dev team has lives outside or EiR, are busy people, etc. But to take the mod in such an obviously poor direction, and then to let it stay that way for months is truly terrible, and as an EiRR player and member of the community, I find it truly terrible, and very disheartening. The first thing that should have been done after release is fix AB, nerf it, rework it, replace it, revert it, whatever. Don't let the mod and community stagnate with such shoddy balance and doctrine work.
And certainly don't continue the trend with other doctrines!

Carrot, beastly effort but airborne is kinda meh compared to inf. Dont be surprised by infantry players running damage control!
I don't really see that big of a problem with Inf, and I certainly haven't had that much trouble. Maybe I don't play with the top 1% of Allied players who do nothing but spam the most OP units and abilities, but I just don't see it.
At the very least, Inf isn't as overtly and blatantly messed up.

Of course, I can't speak for the current proposed doctrine reworks, which are a mess of their own.
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2010, 11:54:52 pm »

ohh i get it your slow and finally relised airborne is OP

and to you sir i say Fuck you and goodbye!
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2010, 12:04:36 am »

and to you sir i say Fuck you and goodbye!
Yes, I'm just very retarded.
It's not at all the fact that I've been busy with school, or spending my summer vacation enjoying the company of my friends for the last time I will see them, or that I've only had a netbook (which cannot run CoH or EIRR).
You must be very observant.
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2010, 12:08:44 am »

are you talking about me or you cuz im confused. your on a role in being confusing in this thread though
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2010, 12:34:21 am »

are you talking about me or you cuz im confused. your on a role in being confusing in this thread though
Jesus man, really? Rifle would understand more of this shit than you.

My first post: AB is OP.

Second post: I don't like the road EiRR is going down, and AB is the perfect example of how a doctrine SHOULDN'T be.

Third post: I explain to you the reason I didn't call out AB sooner (it's because I was on a break from EiRR, among other things).

Fourth post: Me having to explain having to explain this shit to you.
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Demon767 Offline
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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2010, 12:40:05 am »

my bad
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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2010, 06:16:23 am »

Of course, I can't speak for the current proposed doctrine reworks, which are a mess of their own.
Then dont?
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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2010, 06:20:24 am »

 Yeah man considering you contributed nothing to the current doctrines, and were completely MIA at the open discussions for the new ones, you should kindly take a glass of stfu.

 Anyone can complain and poke holes in other people's hard work. The harder feat is being constructive.

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« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2010, 06:32:49 am »

Calm down guys, we all know Airborne is broken.

Me and dave have even come up with our major tie-breaker in any argument we have, like good little spouses, due to the way Airborne was made.

I'll keep it to myself though Smiley.
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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2010, 06:33:50 am »

By all means, feel free to make suggestions on what to change.
Just complaining about things isn't going to help anything.
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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2010, 07:02:55 am »

We have a doctrine rework going on right now. Wipe the tears already.
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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2010, 07:03:51 am »

By all means, feel free to make suggestions on what to change.
Just complaining about things isn't going to help anything.
It helps me feel the community lovin' lol
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