brn4meplz
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« Reply #60 on: November 27, 2010, 03:51:16 am » |
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Because MP44 strom trooper completely walk up and down British doctrines. It also allows you to get in without being shot to kill something. Rangers and Airborne don't have that luxury. They can get out quickly but on the way in and on the way they get shot.
Maybe once brits can adequately deal with Cloaked units the price could drop but MP444 storms are super cost effective on them
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« Reply #61 on: November 27, 2010, 03:58:24 am » |
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I don't see how Storms can walk over british infantry just like that and Brits do have Recon and Brengun carrier as spotters. Now even a Ltd and Captain with Lit up tier 1
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« Reply #62 on: November 27, 2010, 04:02:41 am » |
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we have no smgs (execpt commandos which is doctrine specific )which is the best and most effective and cost efective way to deal with them up close so we end up having to use a tank or mg (which needs to be turned to kille the storms )by then the storms have already wiped out your suppot units tbh i'd take storms with mp44's over any other smg unit in the game imo |
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brn4meplz
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« Reply #63 on: November 27, 2010, 04:03:12 am » |
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Lit up is a 180s cooldown, you can't just drop it because you think you see Storm troopers. Not only that but it's a Tier 1 for RCA(RCXA has lots of other problems which makes them bad)
the Commando Jeep has changed and is incredibly useless.
Recon Tommies don't have anywhere near the detecton that Jeeps and bikes do. On top of that Recon tommies have a ton of negative modifiers for combat which means they suck worse then vanilla tommies. A bren Gun carrier does work, but at double the cost of a Jeep and with no dodge bonus it dies even faster to AT weapons.
If you want a Bren gun w/ a recon tommy your spending 430 manpower 45 mu and 30 fuel.
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« Reply #64 on: November 27, 2010, 04:04:30 am » |
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Brn is rageposting from his lastgame against stormies..
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brn4meplz
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« Reply #65 on: November 27, 2010, 04:05:56 am » |
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My last 3 games against cloaking.
But I've been saying it for ages in the more hidden areas of the forum
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« Reply #66 on: November 27, 2010, 04:13:39 am » |
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If you want a Bren gun w/ a recon tommy your spending 430 manpower 45 mu and 30 fuel.
You'd be spending this much to counter 600 Manpower and around 500 munitions because Storms usually comes in Pairs. See what I mean? 245 Munition is Storms with dual mp44s + medkit + bundlenade, if it has assault ontop of it it is 295 munitions nearly as much as it costs in manpower. + its 9 infantry pool. For that high cost you'd be better off with 2x Snipers because Sniper fucks Brits harder and doesn't HAVE to be close to danger due to such long range and with HMG sitting behind (10 pop as much as 2x Stormies except cheaper) you are safe from recons |
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« Reply #67 on: November 27, 2010, 05:36:35 am » |
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4x mp44 simple not worth it...you will loose 1 member 'quick',and that's already 40mun down,and then goes the other one...
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« Reply #68 on: November 27, 2010, 05:43:52 am » |
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Question: Why do Storm StG44s cost 200 munitions for 4 and Assault Grens only cost 90 for 4? A slight difference in platform shouldn't double the cost...
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brn4meplz
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« Reply #69 on: November 27, 2010, 05:47:48 am » |
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You don't need all 4 MP44's. take the 2 that cost you 95 and you'll still win close up engagements against a Brit. You can also pick up his weapons without worrying about them being overwritten by the MP44 upgrades. You'd be spending this much to counter 600 Manpower and around 500 munitions because Storms usually comes in Pairs. See what I mean?
As to this. You can't accomplish anything with a single bren carrier. Just like jeeps you need multiples of them. Bren carriers have no dodge against AT weapons so you'll be dead inside of 1 second at the best and 4 seconds at the worst. Because of the casualty rate on Bren carriers you might be lucky to survive with 1 or 2 men remaining. You need multiples of the unit to effectively counter Stormtroopers or Snipers because your units are making a 1 way trip guaranteed. |
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brn4meplz
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« Reply #70 on: November 27, 2010, 05:48:54 am » |
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Question: Why do Storm StG44s cost 200 munitions for 4 and Assault Grens only cost 90 for 4? A slight difference in platform shouldn't double the cost...
It's not a slight difference in platform, it's a big difference in platform. Assault grens don't cloak and have less Hitpoints. |
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Artekas
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« Reply #71 on: November 27, 2010, 05:55:35 am » |
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Two little differences is 'slight' to me. Cloak isn't that big of a deal unless you're using shreks, IMO.
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brn4meplz
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« Reply #72 on: November 27, 2010, 06:03:36 am » |
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Cloaking is a huge ability. Regardless of what else your running
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« Reply #73 on: November 27, 2010, 06:04:05 am » |
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The survivability difference is hardly slight. Stormtroopers have 95 HP, Assault Grens have 55 HP. Total squad HPs are 380 and 220. While soldier armor helps Assault Grens against certain weapons (Bars). Assault Rifles and SMGs don't really take penalties vs Soldier armor. Stormtroopers actually have enough health to survive a Sherman shot (87.5 damage)
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« Reply #74 on: November 27, 2010, 06:14:58 am » |
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Use Assault Grens and Pgrens against US Riflemen.
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« Reply #75 on: November 27, 2010, 06:21:05 am » |
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Okay, I stand corrected. I thought Stormtroopers had a lot less HP than they actually do.
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« Reply #76 on: November 27, 2010, 06:36:09 am » |
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If you want an axis elite infantry unit, just make a 5 man Grenadier or 5 man Stormtrooper unit, imo.
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« Reply #77 on: November 27, 2010, 06:58:20 am » |
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6 man volks = op epic elite inf
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« Reply #78 on: November 27, 2010, 07:15:23 am » |
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The survivability difference is hardly slight. Stormtroopers have 95 HP, Assault Grens have 55 HP. Total squad HPs are 380 and 220. While soldier armor helps Assault Grens against certain weapons (Bars). Assault Rifles and SMGs don't really take penalties vs Soldier armor. Stormtroopers actually have enough health to survive a Sherman shot (87.5 damage)
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brn4meplz
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« Reply #79 on: November 27, 2010, 07:17:14 am » |
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Veterancy can do that. and so can some Cover modifiers
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