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[Smokaz]

Go back to your 57mm factory, crazy!

[CrazyWR]

please explain where I'm wrong...treadbreaker is unmatchable, 50mm hotch rapes any light vehicles allies can bring, marder just dominates pershings/crocs, 50mms beat up on anything lighter, as do clowncars...

[CrazyWR]

thats  because most PE players don't have any clue how to play the faction, so they try to play it like the other factions they are used to Nug. 

[Smokaz]

Marder doesnt "dominate" crocs and churchills.

[Artekas]

Treadbreaker is definitely unmatchable, it costs almost as much as an ATG and temporarily slows something down without doing any damage!

Marder just dominates Churchills when it has a bounce rate of over 50% and Crocodiles have 900 hp plus an extra 400 hp or so available from doc buffs, and kill the Marder in 3 hits because of good accuracy and damage modifier against Marder.

The "play it like other factions they are used to playing" is a terrible argument, considering I started playing with PE and have only played other factions a little bit to test the waters and spam riflenades.

[nugnugx]

treadbreaker is unmatchable, 50mm hotch rapes any light vehicles allies can bring, marder just dominates pershings/crocs, 50mms beat up on anything lighter, as do clowncars...

 

[MultiDoc]

please explain where I'm wrong...treadbreaker is unmatchable, 50mm hotch rapes any light vehicles allies can bring, marder just dominates pershings/crocs, 50mms beat up on anything lighter, as do clowncars...

Treadbreaker is 95munitions and only temporary.

50mm Hotchkiss rapes ?  

Marders dominate ?  

[nugnugx]

He must be playing his own version of eir....

[shockcoil]

I'd say PE AT is fine functionally (indeed I prefer it to other factions AT) and somewhat fine price-wise (marder could be cheaper) but they get raped so hard on pool it's hard to field enough without sacrificing company

[Smokaz]

Crazy gonna love the new changes to PE... it's right up his alley. He gets to spam his favorite type of unit.

[CrazyWR]

If you don't understand the value of treadbreaker, I can't help you.   And yes, 50mm hotch rapes light vehicles, play vs mysthalin sometime...

[Artekas]

I understood the value of treadbreaker in vCoH, when Light AT Halftracks were dirt cheap and it permanently immobilized them. I don't understand the value of it here where you could have a 50mm AT Halftrack for cheaper, which also shares the same pool, and actually do damage instead of annoying your opponent.

Funny thing is, you didn't actually provide any argument for it, just said "it's good, I'm right because I'm super leet pro badass god, and if you disagree with me you're a supernoob".

[CrazyWR]

Whatever, ya'll want to ruin the balance by giving PE a MBT, fine, I'm tired of arguing with people that think everything PE has is trash.

[Smokaz]

Yeah the most recent nerf to threadbreaker nailed the unit for my purposes at least. It's becoming increasingly annoying to look at stickies and button compared to the only nice similar ting PE *used* to get, the threadbreak. While immobilization and engine destroyed-criticals ruins the balance of the unit, the engine damaged was acceptable on a otherwise decrepid platform. Now you have to bring down the health, flank for rear hits with this expensive unwieldy unit etc etc to get the criticals instead of the stun. While sticky just flies directly in your face and engine damages your P4 with skirts (also freaking annoying how the skirts protect less against stickies than in vcoh).

Sticky is more dodgable, but its also cheap to buy a rifleman with stickies.

That said I think the majority of the communnity is unsure how the threadbreaker works currently. Let me dig it up.

[Artekas]

And I'm tired of arguing with people WHO GIVE NO FUCKING BALANCE ARGUMENT AT ALL, and just say anyone who disagrees with them sucks. You never once actually made an argument, just stated things like they were facts and then insulted people.

[CrazyWR]

I'm not saying you suck, sorry.  I just don't believe this is a good change for the balance of the game and I don't believe its something PE needs.  Apparently I'm alone in that belief.  Oh well.

[shockcoil]

Treadbreaker is certainly more of a supportive thing but equally certainly still usefull. Treadbreaker by itself is pretty shit but if already have 2 50mms on the field, treadbreaker will be much more usefull than a third 50mm because it will almost guarantee that kill. You also have to look at the focus fire, the other option on the LATHT. The cooldown is not nearly as long as it seems on paper and you will almost definitely get 6-7 kills each time the cooldown is up. Generally my LATHTs get vet 1 in one game, they die of course but there are by no means useless.

50mm hotchkiss I'm no reserved abou., In my experience using them, they absolutely rape pershings but that's about it and like all PE AT you need 2 to be effective. This is one unit that could use some looking at.

Beyond that the 50mm itself and the Marder are excellent AT. 50mms are fast enough for 2 to be used as an entity without staggering them. Marders need to be staggered like ATGs but then they have enough damage to make up for it.

[nugnugx]

by itself is pretty shit but if already have 2 50mms on the field

if


if i have jagdpanther and shreks on field i don't need treadbreaker.


if does not count into balancing , units and abilities have to be balanced on themselves. Just like doctrines don't come into basic gameplay balance.

[shockcoil]

Except having 2 50mms on the field is quite reasonable especially since you're suggesting you should have more instead of LATHTs. And the 50mms are just an example tbh. Replace it with any form of AT. If you have no other AT on the field frankly you suck and you don't deserve to complain

[nugnugx]

again ,


IF  does not count


treadbreaker is shit ? yes ?  yes


there we go