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Mysthalin
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Re: [PE] 50mm Hotchkiss
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Reply #40 on:
December 09, 2010, 03:33:51 pm »
Yeah, I'm becoming more and more certain the ready-aim time is the factor to be put to blame in this case, leo.
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Illegal_Carrot
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Re: [PE] 50mm Hotchkiss
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Reply #41 on:
December 09, 2010, 03:55:25 pm »
Hotchkisses suck because of their lack of dodge bonuses.
Last game I used them I had them as max range circle-strafing a Pershing, every single one of his shots hit me, and I was dead in three shots (crippled in two).
It also gets endlessly sniped by ATGs and other AT weapons. The Hotch just has such shit health, armor, and no dodge bonuses.
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SX23
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Re: [PE] 50mm Hotchkiss
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Reply #42 on:
December 09, 2010, 05:08:21 pm »
Quote from: Illegal_Carrot on December 09, 2010, 03:55:25 pm
Hotchkisses suck because of their lack of dodge bonuses.
Last game I used them I had them as max range circle-strafing a Pershing, every single one of his shots hit me, and I was dead in three shots (crippled in two).
It also gets endlessly sniped by ATGs and other AT weapons. The Hotch just has such shit health, armor, and no dodge bonuses.
Agreed, hotchkiss needs some sort of buff.
Unless being in groups of 3-4, they cannot take out anything.
That said, pq, please, let me have my armor company against yours where your only at will be hothckiss.
I somehow love free wins.
Quote from: pqumsieh on December 09, 2010, 03:12:41 pm
those stats cannot in any way be correct. I am watching a replay right now and the reload is about 2-3 seconds max.
Yeah sure, RGD's lies.
Another unbiased topic of yours, huh pq?
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Scotzmen
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Re: [PE] 50mm Hotchkiss
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Reply #43 on:
December 09, 2010, 05:10:22 pm »
Yh to back up pqumsieh i did see it as i was playing as his allie, ive even put the reply up in the replay section. So wander over DL it and see what he means
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Illegal_Carrot
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Re: [PE] 50mm Hotchkiss
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Reply #44 on:
December 09, 2010, 05:17:42 pm »
Quote from: SX23 on December 09, 2010, 05:08:21 pm
Yeah sure, RGD's lies.
Another unbiased topic of yours, huh pq?
The thing does have a very high rate of fire, much faster than a vanilla Hotch. It's only the 50mm for some reason, though I'm pretty sure it's intentional.
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kwiatekkek
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Re: [PE] 50mm Hotchkiss
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Reply #45 on:
December 09, 2010, 07:09:13 pm »
Quote from: pqumsieh on December 09, 2010, 03:11:40 pm
this reminds me of back when, I would post a balance issue, everyone would disagree...so I would abuse the fuk out of it until everyone saw the light. Can we just avoid the hard way and go with the easy way on this one?
PQ
go PQ
abuse them upped hotchs
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pqumsieh
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Re: [PE] 50mm Hotchkiss
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Reply #46 on:
December 09, 2010, 07:18:45 pm »
Quote from: SX23 on December 09, 2010, 05:08:21 pm
Agreed, hotchkiss needs some sort of buff.
Unless being in groups of 3-4, they cannot take out anything.
That said, pq, please, let me have my armor company against yours where your only at will be hothckiss.
I somehow love free wins.
Yeah sure, RGD's lies.
Another unbiased topic of yours, huh pq?
spoken like a true noob, because abusing them automatically insinuates having a complete army full of them...lawl. as if i post so many topics to make a statement in regards to me being biased. I call things as I see them, both ally and axis.
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11on2d6
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Re: [PE] 50mm Hotchkiss
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Reply #47 on:
December 09, 2010, 10:06:49 pm »
Quote from: pqumsieh on December 09, 2010, 03:11:40 pm
this reminds me of back when, I would post a balance issue, everyone would disagree...so I would abuse the fuk out of it until everyone saw the light. Can we just avoid the hard way and go with the easy way on this one?
PQ
Ok, please... abuse the fuck out of Hotchkiss, go make a hotchkiss company, and win some games...PLEASE. demonstrate to the rest of us n00bs how OP hotchkiss are, by making a company and ownaging with it. Hell, thats how I demonstrated AB was OP, please....by all means do the same.
*sits eagerly awaiting results of hotchkiss OP abuse company*
oh btw... GOOD LUCK.
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Illegal_Carrot
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Re: [PE] 50mm Hotchkiss
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Reply #48 on:
December 10, 2010, 01:26:40 am »
The problem is that Hotchkisses have Stuart armor, meaning that they have literally have no dodge bonuses at all, even while moving.
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Smokaz
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Re: [PE] 50mm Hotchkiss
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Reply #49 on:
December 10, 2010, 01:47:46 am »
Stuart, hotchkiss, tetrarch. They are all pretty good if you have the mojo to use their mobility. However movement-wise the hotchkiss FEELS more clunky and slow than either of those. Tbh from now on im going to stop arguing completley, i'm just going to be emotional smokaz talking about auras, energies and how a certain unit makes me feel.
yay for painkillers
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Spartan_Marine88
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Re: [PE] 50mm Hotchkiss
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Reply #50 on:
December 10, 2010, 01:50:11 am »
Quote from: Smokaz on December 10, 2010, 01:47:46 am
i'm just going to be emotional smokaz talking about auras, energies and how a certain unit makes me feel.
So your going to talk about officer buffs?
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Smokaz
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Re: [PE] 50mm Hotchkiss
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Reply #51 on:
December 10, 2010, 01:50:59 am »
Bada-bing, trom dom shommelom BAwAP! ||
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jackmccrack
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Re: [PE] 50mm Hotchkiss
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Reply #52 on:
December 10, 2010, 01:56:12 am »
TBH the Stuart and Hotchkiss have the worst defense/mobility but great offense. And the Tetrarch just makes me sad because the only thing it can do is drop behind enemy lines, it doesn't shoot fast or far but it penetrates okay...and I guess it has smoke...
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Smokaz
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Re: [PE] 50mm Hotchkiss
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Reply #53 on:
December 10, 2010, 01:56:36 am »
You just bad jack
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jackmccrack
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Re: [PE] 50mm Hotchkiss
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Reply #54 on:
December 10, 2010, 01:57:33 am »
I suck with Tets bro
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Smokaz
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Re: [PE] 50mm Hotchkiss
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Reply #55 on:
December 10, 2010, 01:59:54 am »
Our tets and stuarts did amazing in that 3v3 turned 2v2 tbh, they were PIVOTAL to victory.. but then again
if you can't even circle a unsupported 57mm with a hotch
, then you're in for a dissapointment.
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jackmccrack
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Posts: 2484
Re: [PE] 50mm Hotchkiss
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Reply #56 on:
December 10, 2010, 02:01:00 am »
that shit was bull bro
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smurfORnot
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Posts: 4715
Re: [PE] 50mm Hotchkiss
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Reply #57 on:
December 24, 2010, 03:28:17 am »
ok,just had 50mm hotch against 95mm cromwel,and hotch got his ass kicked...why does ai stuh cromwel deal more dmg to hotch than supposed at 50mm hotch does to cromwel
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11on2d6
EIR Veteran
Posts: 193
Re: [PE] 50mm Hotchkiss
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Reply #58 on:
December 24, 2010, 03:49:38 am »
Hotchkiss seems to do much better vs US in general, it struggles to use its range bonus vs fireflies and cromwells
, because it has none. (comparitivly speaking).
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11on2d6
EIR Veteran
Posts: 193
Re: [PE] 50mm Hotchkiss
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Reply #59 on:
December 24, 2010, 10:00:09 pm »
Ive decided to give up trying to make them work, Im losing too many games and its just becoming tiresome for me and the team I get stuck with.
To all those that say this units fine, either show us, or your wrong tbh. Something should be done to fix this fail POS.
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