2v2 Venue - Stagspam Evaluation (Cloud, Icelandic vs Nugnug, Cyran)

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[cloud234]

Admittedly I played very poorly with storms this game which contributed to the loss. I think my teammate's fail PE was pretty bad as well.

However what I like to highlight is, look at the amount of staghounds which was killed and the amount of damage those staghounds did.

1. The top MG was very cheap, leaving much MU left over for him to buy Piats on Sappers to fight off tanks.
2. I had bad micro with P4 (Not sure if I paid off the cost through the kills)& Storms this game, I give it that much despite killing significantly more.
3. I didn't bring on my single MG, which would have helped tons against the rifle spam.
4. The low fuel cost for the stags also allowed him to purchase 2 fireflies.

While this is a certainly beatable tactic (with a reasonable team mate), I think it warrants too much resources.

Please look into the staghound and balance it.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

yea i must admit that i am really bad with the tank hunters AND jagdpanther but there is no reason for you too diss the Hetzer.

that tank is Great.

[Smokaz]

Tbh how many stags died without making their cost back, early game?

Poor hetzer. Now that's a unit which underperforms.

Also you have to STOP your p4 before shooting at moving tarets like the stag. You kept moving the p4 at the exact moments it is shooting, helping it miss.

[cloud234]

yea i must admit that i am really bad with the tank hunters AND jagdpanther but there is no reason for you too diss the Hetzer.

that tank is Great.

Its a decent tank... but you were using it like a P4 honestly. It bounces tons of shots but you need to kill something with it. I'm only dissing its poor turning ability.

[Smokaz]

Also not engage piats with p4s around hedges? lol

[Artekas]

Just played a game with cloud where he had like 5 maybe 6 stags in an attempt to prove them OP, I'm pretty sure every single one of them died with no more than 3 inf kills. I find the stag hate to be funny tbh.

[cloud234]

Just played a game with cloud where he had like 5 maybe 6 stags in an attempt to prove them OP, I'm pretty sure every single one of them died with no more than 3 inf kills. I find the stag hate to be funny tbh.

I actually only had 3 stags and called out 2... The other stags were by my team mate. I think you should get your facts right first. They aren't OP anyway, I think they are underpriced for what they can do.

[RoyalHants]

they do nothing constructive on occasions they might finish off a tank but rarely have i seen one with decent kills

[AmPM]

I actually only had 3 stags and called out 2... The other stags were by my team mate. I think you should get your facts right first. They aren't OP anyway, I think they are underpriced for what they can do.

That would be the definition for OP.

[Smokaz]

At 17-18 minutes there a crucial attack where the wehr player wants to attack, Icelandic must have been afk because all he was moving around was a single PE squad causing the p4s to lose momentum and get owned.

[Artekas]

Derp I keep getting you and Royal's units mixed up, either way there were a bunch of staghounds that game and they didn't accomplish much at all. Most certainly never made their cost back.

[Smokaz]

Cyran was just to good for you I guess.

[nugnugx]

I've just re-watched my game again to see the opness.

This game if proves anything is that , that there is nothing wrong with stags , pretty much all of them were dead after 10 mins, and the rest is just average axis gameplay.

[Tymathee]

exactl, theres nothing wrong with stags lol just cuz you CAN spam them doesn't mean that they're OP. you can spam anything. I can have nothing but flame pios and be effective (which i've done) v

Just played a game with cloud where he had like 5 maybe 6 stags in an attempt to prove them OP, I'm pretty sure every single one of them died with no more than 3 inf kills. I find the stag hate to be funny tbh.

He didn't know what he was doing, which proves they're not OP. OP units stay OP no matter who uses them.

[nugnugx]

He didn't know what he was doing, which proves they're not OP. OP units stay OP no matter who uses them.

Yep , just like riflenade smoke , which anyone can pop and make units invincible

[Smokaz]

Yep , just like riflenade smoke , which anyone can pop and make units invincible

[cloud234]

Yep , just like riflenade smoke , which anyone can pop and make units invincible

Any wehr can use flamethrowers? Even PE has flamethrowers nowadays.

[Artekas]

Even PE has flamethrowers nowdays.

No they don't, a T3 for one doctrine does not mean the entire faction has them.

[cloud234]

Regardless, lets get back on track.

The issue is, should a person lose so much staghounds, which has the potential to deal significant damage, be let off so easily?

[Smokaz]

How was he let off easy..? Nug had like

1) No LT
2) No captain
3) No command tank
4) no AI upgrade for his inf

Almost zero at guns..