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[Tymathee]

in all honest, g43 should be best at medium range, worst at short range and ok at long range. The scatter is also weird but i guess it means against bigger squads it'll hit more of them, which is why when g43's are enmasse they rape squads?

[BigDick]

every weapon (except firefly gun) is better on closer ranges dude

[nugnugx]

which is why when g43's are enmasse they rape squads?

you should be a comedian

[LeoPhone]

every weapon (except firefly gun) is better on closer ranges dude

and sniper? and mortar? and atg? I prefer using those at long range.

sniper is actually bad at close range. it always misses.

[nugnugx]

The scatter is also weird but i guess it means against bigger squads it'll hit more of them

Hitting something , because it missed other thing is not a good idea.

and sniper? and mortar? and atg? I prefer using those at long range.

he meant dps wise

[BigDick]

ok sniper is like firefly gun wore but the others are better

and talking about G43 is talking about a semi automatic rifle like the bar and no karabiner

[nugnugx]

and talking about G43 is talking about a semi automatic rifle like the bar and no karabiner

According to coh  G43 is a rifle like kar  and bar is smg    , there is no 'half-smg' option.

Which mayb g43 should be?

Here we have another option.... make it a half-smg , being able to kill on close range allied rifles , and be able to fight on long range vs smg .

[BigDick]

yeah its some kind of karabiner but not as the K98 or other rifles where you need to reload after each shoot its auto reloading until its mag is empty

thats why i see no reason for it not being good at short range

[NightRain]

For 60 mun give 3x G43s. That way squad will have one Leader Kar and 3x G43s. Then it becomes a good upgrade. Now it is just silly.

[nugnugx]

For 60 mun give 3x G43s. That way squad will have one Leader Kar and 3x G43s. Then it becomes a good upgrade. Now it is just silly.

and 50 mu + decrease scatter angle to 5 and max scatter to 10 (so the scatter is on par with wehr gren kar )


This sounds like the best solution so far imo

[Spartan_Marine88]

PE elite are supposed to be, well Elite and Scary, rifles should not be able to ROFL roll them, i think we are on to something

[AmPM]

Look, PGren squad with Leader Rifle and 3 G43's would still be weaker than a Gren Squad at all but short range, where they might come out even.

Considering that the cost of the unit, that 3 rifles for 60mu is only SLIGHTLY less expensive than an LMG Gren squad and will be far worse, why is this even an issue?

[Tymathee]

i dont see what the problem is, eirr's been around for 2 years and this is the first time i've seen a thread complaining about them, why the whining now?

[LeoPhone]

i dont see what the problem is, eirr's been around for 2 years and this is the first time i've seen a thread complaining about them, why the whining now?

coz before pgrens could actually battle other inf. but with this new patch they just get destroyed and this makes the g43 less useful.

[nugnugx]

i dont see what the problem is, eirr's been around for 2 years and this is the first time i've seen a thread complaining about them, why the whining now?

just the same as with stag or with fausts

if it's there but no one is using it doesn't mean it's not broken,  stag also was there for the whole year but no one spammed it and it was sitting in a corner quietly to be nerfed.

G43 is waiting to be buffed

[PonySlaystation]

The recent soldier armor change is the entire reason. They were  ok before because they had a chance against BARs and they were only 4 pop. But now they're just not cost effective.

[nugnugx]

The recent soldier armor change is the entire reason. They were  ok before because they had a chance against BARs and they were only 4 pop. But now they're just not cost effective.

no soldier armor and pop is not the reason.....

what solder armor has anything to do with g43 lols , before you also had a chance w/o g43 with just pgren kar. It didn't matter if you had g43 or not.
It was always crap since it got patched to current state, i made a thread about this like a year ago also.

[AmPM]

Tym, how does PE suddenly taking more damage by far from regular rifle weapons not have anything to do with their lower DPS weaponry no longer keeping up?

[nugnugx]

also

vcoh beta patch made these changes to g43 which we did not incorporate

'G43 maximum cooldown decreased from 1.8 to 1.65
G43 minimum cooldown decreased from 1.25 to 1.15'




and Tym, g43 was not fine for 2 years,  just search the forum about g43 threads, there's plenty of them ,i just did. If there is a time when 'g43 talk' is silent ,it's because no one is using it.

here some quotes

February 22, 2009

ry 3 man g43 squads costing 70 munitions (almost as much as a bar) who cant even scratch tommies. A g43 squad can be shooting at tommies for 10 seconds without the tommy health bar moving at all. Brit infantry WALK over PE infantry, like they were unupgraded pios

July 08, 2010

also, g43s are 65 for falls, but 60 for pgs?

August 16, 2009

with g43s there shit, 4 vet 2 squads lost to a charging flamer engie

Don't forget Tym that the higher DPS of g43 is ONLY thanks to higher rate of fire due to no reload animation cooldown , but with higher scatter it's also missing more.

[Mysthalin]

Don't forget Tym that the higher DPS of g43 is ONLY thanks to higher rate of fire due to no reload animation cooldown , but with higher scatter it's also missing more.

The only thing the G43 doesn't have is a bolt-action animation. Other than that.. it's just a rifle that fires faster because it's stats say so.

As for the scatter angle...

Maximum range :
The shot, which had a 55% chance to roll a miss has a 6.7% chance to hit an infantry man(assumed body coverage 2m^2) via balistics at scatter angle 5.
This goes to 1.7% when the scatter angle goes up to 10.

So, realistically, the impact on DPS goes from 3.685% added to 0.935% added.


In other words - it's literally a difference of 2.7% at maximum range. Basically meaning that nobody really gives a shit.