Demon767
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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2011, 08:38:41 pm » |
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They are the best short range dps then any other unit
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Tymathee
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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2011, 09:30:18 pm » |
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i still think 90mu is a bit much for them tbh. ok so maybe 75mu.
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« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2011, 12:13:05 am » |
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Looking at the RGD's, the medium and short range is the same as the MP44, but its more accurate and medium and short, and at short its a guaranteed chance to hit the target as long as you are not moving and the enemy isnt in cover, Mp44 on the other hand has slightly less acc at short, and alot less acc as medium. They do 25 damage per hit, and MP44's do 7 damage per hit.
I am positive it is true it has highest short DPS in the game.
This is just a few things I see, but I havn't fully investigated this. Keep in mind old assault grens costed 215 mp and 95 munitions.
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Demon767
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« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2011, 12:39:01 am » |
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No Tym. 90Mu is fine when you can easily have unupgraded rifles acting as a meat shield for them when assaulting positions
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Firesparks
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« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2011, 12:52:38 am » |
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Looking at the RGD's, the medium and short range is the same as the MP44, but its more accurate and medium and short, and at short its a guaranteed chance to hit the target as long as you are not moving and the enemy isnt in cover, Mp44 on the other hand has slightly less acc at short, and alot less acc as medium. They do 25 damage per hit, and MP44's do 7 damage per hit.
I am positive it is true it has highest short DPS in the game.
This is just a few things I see, but I havn't fully investigated this. Keep in mind old assault grens costed 215 mp and 95 munitions.
you do know that the mp44 fire in burst versus the shotgun's single shot? And then there's the cooldown. |
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« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2011, 02:14:30 am » |
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Where is mysth when you need him?
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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2011, 04:34:58 am » |
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well i would rather want wind or smokaz to take care of this situation but myst is fine too
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2011, 07:11:06 am » |
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Mysth is currently hungover after a night involving a 1 litre bottle of martini, a few pints of guinness and some black sambuca.
Get back to me when the hammers stop pounding.
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« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2011, 07:41:16 am » |
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« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2011, 08:58:33 am » |
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you do know that the mp44 fire in burst versus the shotgun's single shot? And then there's the cooldown.
Yep and its alot less accurate, that burst is shot slower than the shotguns single shot, it reloads slower and has to reload more frequently than the shotgun. But I also think the shotgun doesnt have the same moving acc. Either way it should still have highest close range DPS, and even performs better than the MP44 at medium. |
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« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2011, 09:01:27 am » |
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Yep and its alot less accurate, that burst is shot slower than the shotguns single shot, it reloads slower and has to reload more frequently than the shotgun.
But I also think the shotgun doesnt have the same moving acc.
Either way it should still have highest close range DPS, and even performs better than the MP44 at medium.
you understand that they only cost 90 munitiions unlike the 120 that most mp44 squads cost? |
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« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2011, 03:03:13 pm » |
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Precisely
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2011, 04:46:46 pm » |
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MP 44 DPS :
S 19.44
M 3.19
L 1.02
Shotgun DPS :
S 16.99
M 7.67
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« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2011, 08:16:28 pm » |
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lol so shotty doesn't have best short range dps but is pretty good medium and dont even bother hitting anything at long range.
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Demon767
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« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2011, 08:20:51 pm » |
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no i still believe shotguns have better dps overall because its not burst or something like that. its a constant dps
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« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2011, 08:26:38 pm » |
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how is it a constant dps, it's a shotgun...why would you nto believe myst? he knows how to calc this stuff more than almost anyone else on this board.
mp44 has shorter cooldown at short range (.2 mp44, .35 shotty) whie the shotty is better at medium (.5 to 1.0)
also takes longer to reload the shotty.
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2011, 03:00:51 am » |
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Actually, Demon :
Shotties are the more "burst-based" weapon. They dish out a lot of damage in one go, then you wait for them to cooldown before the next volley (burst) comes. The MP44 fires a near-constant stream of low-damage bullets. Either way - DPS calculations ignore whether a unit is bursty in it's nature or not : they tell you the raw DPS of the unit under the assumption that it fires for an infinite ammount of time.
That being said, Shotguns don't have the 0.75 dmg vs infantry like the MP44 does. So even though the raw DPS of the MP44 is higher than the Shotgun - once other modifiers are applied it does go below the shotty in terms of damage.
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Demon767
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« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2011, 03:20:15 am » |
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thanks myst
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« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2011, 03:31:01 am » |
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That being said, Shotguns don't have the 0.75 dmg vs infantry like the MP44 does. So even though the raw DPS of the MP44 is higher than the Shotgun - once other modifiers are applied it does go below the shotty in terms of damage.
the mp44 have 1.0 damage against infantry just like the shotgun does. |
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« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2011, 03:58:23 am » |
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Ah, that they do. Sorry about that, my memory must be slipping.
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