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[TheIcelandicManiac]

Well if I remember correctly the upgun is pretty huge, like freaking 60% modifer against the 2nd best armour in the game(hetzer sortof)

The church 4 has like 28% against hetzer, the chuch 6 is a sherman nonupgun 75
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Thanks.

I really need to learn how to use corsix and i am quite suprised its not more for what i have seen while using MK 4 vs hetzers.
maybe its just the fast fire speed that trew me off.

[nugnugx]

Chances tiger armour going to be improved is very slim. Pershing overall is a bit worse, are they going to get buffed to?

just let it go nugnugx

I think all axis players that used Tiger would agree that its frontal armor is bad.  It's not some uber buff.

[LeoPhone]

tiger armor is fine. it already can stand up to ATGs bouncing most shots.

nug, stop this trollthread.

[nugnugx]

tiger armor is fine. it already can stand up to ATGs bouncing most shots.

and nug, stop this trollthread.

Replays of your tigers bouncing atgs from front or i call bs.

[LeoPhone]

lol, atg has 0.3 chanse to penetrate tiger at long range

[nugnugx]

waiting for replay

[Mgallun74]

OMG, comon... like people say they are sick of my realism posts, iam sick of these "Gameplay" posts.

This is a ww2 game\mod.

It needs to follow some kind of historical accuracy somewhat, or why even play it? might as well go play some fantasy mmo then right?

Tiger had 100mm of front armor at a pretty even angle.. so it was just pure 100mm..

Panther had 80mm of armor at 35 degress, iam sure somebody here can do the math that can tell you what the effective thickness would be.. iam sure its like 130 or 150mm or something like that.

so yes, panther should be bouncing more shots frontally than tiger.

so, with that info... a m9 Zook could penetrate roughly 100mm of armor at 100m.. so technically, it could possibly go thru a tiger frontally..

and with the AT guns in this game, all is fubar really, they do alot more damage than what they should penetrate more than they should for -------- wait for it!............... "gameplay!"  

Also, the pershings effective front armor is better than tiger and equal with panther.


all axis weapons rape and penetrate most allied AFVs pretty simple in this game, frontally or rear.. just be happy side armor is not properly modelled in this game or panthers, panzer4s, stugs, hetzers with their 50mm and lower side armor would be getting raped by 75mm shermans.

[nugnugx]

OMG, comon... like people say they are sick of my realism posts, iam sick of these "Gameplay"

Ok let's make it realistic

so, with that info... a m9 Zook could penetrate roughly 100mm of armor at 100m.. so technically, it could possibly go thru a tiger frontally..

Make zooks fire only from 100 meters in-game.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Omg allready did it.

[Mgallun74]

Ok let's make it realistic




Make zooks fire only from 100 meters in-game.

dont you think the insance close ranges we play at probably are already there...

[nugnugx]

dont you think the insance close ranges we play at probably are already there...

Anything closer than 100m would be raped by mg on tiger  , 1 salvo and whole team dead.


Do you see now that realism does not go into coh/eir ?  or do you need more examples?

[Mgallun74]

Anything closer than 100m would be raped by mg on tiger  , 1 salvo and whole team dead.


Do you see now that realism does not go into coh/eir ?  or do you need more examples?

fail example on your part... squads normally would not be running around with each that close in those situations.. 

try again.

[nugnugx]

fail example on your part... squads normally would not be running around with each that close in those situations..  

try again.

Yes they would be not , but they are running in coh ,  

coh = nothing to do with realism.

Thanks for clearing this up.

[Mgallun74]

Yes they would be not , but they are running in coh ,  

coh = nothing to do with realism.

Thanks for clearing this up.

lol, your hopeless...
there are plenty of other people who use tigers not here complaining about the frontal armor on them.. they seem pretty happy with it. 

[nugnugx]

there are plenty of other people who use tigers not here complaining about the frontal armor on them.. they seem pretty happy with it. 

Because they got accustomed to it over the years , but metagameplay has changed and things like allied small AT weapon extra damage modifiers and tiger frontal armor are relics of the past from 2-3 years ago just like it was with g43 before it got changed and many others.

[Uglysori]

going by coh-stats, if the values haven't been tweaked that much I can see a small case being made in lowering zook pen slightly.  Currently, zooks pen panther front armor at around 11%, Tiger armor at 18%.  Lowering it down from 18% to say 13-14% a tad i don't think would be super unreasonable given how much extra dmg units tend to get with veterancy, the already present extra bonus dmg zooks get vs tigers, the fact that the one doctrine that utilizes zooks the most is inf co that has tank reapers to compensate somewhat, and if your using rangers you should have the maneuverability anyway to line up for side/rear shots where the pen is very favorable towards tigers.  I am just surprised nugz is so up in arms about the zooks.  Once AB is back in and ppl are spamming rrs, you'll rarely see those things bounce as those AB are kiting u.

[nugnugx]

It's not just about the zooks,  it's overall about the frontal armor.

[Mgallun74]

Base Targer Table Penetration from US units.

57mm - %35 (Ap rounds always penetrate, with TR it only goes to what %40)
75mm Sherman - %24
76mm Sherman - %45
3inch M10 - %55
76mm Hellcat - %55
Zooka - %18 (TR this jumps up to a whopping %20, if my math is right)


British

17pdr - %1.38
17pdr FF - %1.38
Cromwell - %22
6pdr?  same as 57mm, but no ap rounds?


so, thats not good enough? 

[Uglysori]

Base Targer Table Penetration from US units.

57mm - %35 (Ap rounds always penetrate, with TR it only goes to what %40)
75mm Sherman - %24
76mm Sherman - %45
3inch M10 - %55
76mm Hellcat - %55
Zooka - %18 (TR this jumps up to a whopping %20, if my math is right)


British

17pdr - %1.38
17pdr FF - %1.38
Cromwell - %22
6pdr?  same as 57mm, but no ap rounds?


so, thats not good enough? 

pretty sure it jumps closer to 24% pen for zooks unless the tooltip in launcher is incorrect

[Mysthalin]

As the community king of stats I hereby declare nug to be retarded.

Tiger armour is fine.