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[nugnugx]

'They see me trollin west, they hatin'

[Sachaztan]

we wont stop north korea, libya or even freakin mexico but we'll invade iraq...

As long as USA is Saudi Arabias whore, money will dictate what the Army does.

[Sachaztan]

LEts get busy! Its about time. I know its complicated coz every fuckin government has its own interests. But thats another problem. Think about in what world u wanna live in and think about other living beings. Zero Tolerance from my side for dictators in Korea, Africa, and whereever on the world. Also no tolerance for shit talking politicians watching this while they have the power to change things. Also no tolerance for the weapons lobby makin this possible and even firing it up. Im RAGING HARD.

Btw
Appeasement lead to World War 2
Always keep that in mind

You gotta love the states then, one of the more undemocratic "democracies" in the world. What's called "lobbying" there is called corruption and bribes in others.

[BigDick]

You gotta love the states then, one of the more undemocratic "democracies" in the world. What's called "lobbying" there is called corruption and bribes in others.

+1

probably because the average american has same political, history and social knowledge/education as an earthworm

[ErwinNH]

And don't exaggerate, North Korea and China never had the logistical capability to hold a sustained, rapid offensive capable of pushing NATO out of Korea.**

No, the US very nearly got pushed off the peninsula. You're confusing our overall might with our might that was present at the time. China had just finished defeating the forces of Chiang Kai Shek in a long revolutionary war for which around 100,000 North Korean men had volunteered. By the time the NKPA started their drive down the peninsula, they were a combat experienced force behind a spearhead of T-34-85s which were quite capable for the specific task (read about task force smith being rolled over like a speedbump).

Had they succeeded in taking Pusan we could have had another D-day in Korea, but would we have? How costly would that have been? Then there's the nuke option, something that was seriously considered, but the Soviet Union had just tested theirs a few months before the war kicked off and we weren't sure how many they had. It was disconcerning, and thus the nuclear cold war began. 

[smurfORnot]

Fallen: Just to make it clear, our intervening when it suits out interests in not a bad thing. It's the only reason to invest our lives

but it's a bit hypochritic...for example,Iraq,yes,goverment tell's you we are invading Iraq for all those noble reason,to help Iraq-i people,war on terror etc. but only real reason was oil.
Americans will believe what goverment and media tells them. I mean 9/11 all facts and videos show that planes couldnt take down those towers,not to mention one hit pentagon,couldnt fit in that hole in wall and that plane melted cuz of heat,yeah right...
It is why quite a bit of people dislikes americans(it's not their fault),they like to play world police only when it suits them,but claim that they are not doing it for their own interests,but when they dont have any use of intervening,they will just sit back.
 I am not saying it's wrong,I would do the same,but dont expect people to like u cuz of that. Which army is most hated in Iraq? US!
Dont get me wrong,I dont give a shit what USA does or does not,since it doesnt affect me. I just pitty all those americans that dont know the truth about most stuff and are easly manipulated. When I spoke with some US students and told them some facts about 9/11,Zeitgeist and stuff,they were like,wut?!?!

[Sachaztan]

I really don't know how to respond to this. Preventing the spread of Communism* would, for pretty much every reasonable person in the 1950s, be a very appropriate reason to go to war. Keeping allied ports open on mainland Asia close to Japan would also be extremely important. And don't exaggerate, North Korea and China never had the logistical capability to hold a sustained, rapid offensive capable of pushing NATO out of Korea.**

Plus the United States forced Russia, China, and North Korea into a spending war for the next sixty+ years on the DMZ...the type of war the United States is best at. South Korea will pay most of it back eventually, be it through technology or exports. But China, for the foreseeable future, will have that millstone called North Korea on its neck. Which is, IMO, no bad thing.

We'd be adding "u"s in silly places if we'd been left alone to "take it into our own hands and help ourselves". Just FYI.

Your second line demonstrates why cutting military spending is so critically important for this country. People will stop asking us to help them when we stop pretending to be World Police. Which would not be a bad thing...would probably force Europe to spend more on military stuff, allow us to [partially] pay back our deficit***. Until then, though, it's perfectly reasonable for people to ask us to play the part that we've been pretending to act.


*Well, not Communism the ideal/philosophy, the "Communism" that was practiced. Admittedly, I'm willing to bet that most people back then didn't think there was much of a difference. An argument from hindsight would probably involve the Kim family's instabilities.

**They could have killed a lot more people with a few more errors, though.

***Not going to lie: most of our deficit in the future is going to come from health care. Reducing military spending isn't going to do too much in the long run, though it certainly won't hurt.

"North Korea and China never had the logistical capability to hold a sustained, rapid offensive capable of pushing NATO out of Korea.**"

Someone wasn't paying attention in history class.

[roflmao]

*Well, not Communism the ideal/philosophy, the "Communism" that was practiced. Admittedly, I'm willing to bet that most people back then didn't think there was much of a difference. An argument from hindsight would probably involve the Kim family's instabilities.

Every time I hear that argument I always think to myself: there is no difference. Your ideology can be as rosy as you want, but the practical application of it is what matters. Communism has failed in every country that tried it, except maybe China, but only because they are moving away from communism.

[AmPM]

but it's a bit hypochritic...for example,Iraq,yes,goverment tell's you we are invading Iraq for all those noble reason,to help Iraq-i people,war on terror etc. but only real reason was oil.
Americans will believe what goverment and media tells them. I mean 9/11 all facts and videos show that planes couldnt take down those towers,not to mention one hit pentagon,couldnt fit in that hole in wall and that plane melted cuz of heat,yeah right...
It is why quite a bit of people dislikes americans(it's not their fault),they like to play world police only when it suits them,but claim that they are not doing it for their own interests,but when they dont have any use of intervening,they will just sit back.
 I am not saying it's wrong,I would do the same,but dont expect people to like u cuz of that. Which army is most hated in Iraq? US!
Dont get me wrong,I dont give a shit what USA does or does not,since it doesnt affect me. I just pitty all those americans that dont know the truth about most stuff and are easly manipulated. When I spoke with some US students and told them some facts about 9/11,Zeitgeist and stuff,they were like,wut?!?!

To make it clear, I'm fine with fighting over a valuable resource. I am not fine with going fight for people that will then turn around and bitch that we are occupying their shithole of a country.

Iraq should have been occupied the first time around, then there would have been no reason for the second one. Then again, if we did things like the Euro's, nothing in this world would ever get done. Britain is only partially helpful sometimes, and even then it's barely anything.

[ErwinNH]

Conspiracy theories.

Sorry man, though you are correct that too many Americans listen to what they're told, the planes really did hit the buildings. I promise.

[smurfORnot]

not sure about pentagon one :/ ,but twins,yes,even thought they wouldnt colapse because of that...

[Sachaztan]

Sorry man, though you are correct that too many Americans listen to what they're told, the planes really did hit the buildings. I promise.

Southpark made an excellent episode about people like him

[Spartan_Marine88]

wrong; sweating and internal intervention lead to ww2

Wrong. And narrow minded.

There were about a hundred culminating events that led to World War 2. No one thing 'caused' WW2 and doubtful anything changed would have prevented it.

The only thing thats for sure is that every time the US has had a hideous track record of Policing the world. From installing Agusto Pinochet in Chile, training and installing Sadam in the then Democratic Iraq, supplying weapons to resistance groups in Afghanistan then abandoning the country after its entire infrastructure was ripped apart.


And whow, i really hate the 9/11 deniers, yea the planes were real, things may be not 100% what they seem, and there was no way the planes alone brought down the towers/ But fuck i hate conspiracy theorists, since I swear the people who start the conspiracies just can't understand the realities about this world, and instead make up pretty stories that make others listen to them.

BTW the jetstream created by planes IS NOT A STERILISATION BEAM

[Sachaztan]

Wrong. And narrow minded.

There were about a hundred culminating events that led to World War 2. No one thing 'caused' WW2 and doubtful anything changed would have prevented it.

The only thing thats for sure is that every time the US has had a hideous track record of Policing the world. From installing Agusto Pinochet in Chile, training and installing Sadam in the then Democratic Iraq, supplying weapons to resistance groups in Afghanistan then abandoning the country after its entire infrastructure was ripped apart.


And whow, i really hate the 9/11 deniers, yea the planes were real, things may be not 100% what they seem, and there was no way the planes alone brought down the towers/ But fuck i hate conspiracy theorists, since I swear the people who start the conspiracies just can't understand the realities about this world, and instead make up pretty stories that make others listen to them.

BTW the jetstream created by planes IS NOT A STERILISATION BEAM

Its funny because people that believe in these conspiracy theories usually also believe that mankind is ruled by "them", "them" often being reptilian aliens.

I mean, wtf?

[ErwinNH]

and there was no way the planes alone brought down the towers

wut?

BTW the jetstream created by planes IS NOT A STERILISATION BEAM

lolwut?

[smurfORnot]

someone reads David Icke 


facts Erwin,facts...

[ErwinNH]

someone reads David Icke 


facts Erwin,facts...

Is this "say-weird-things-that-don't-make-sense" time? Cause... I don't... know.. what you're saying.

[Sachaztan]

Is this "say-weird-things-that-don't-make-sense" time? Cause... I don't... know.. what you're saying.

It's ok, we understand google is a very hard website to use.

[EliteGren]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=david+Icke

[ErwinNH]

It's ok, we understand google is a very hard website to use.

I can google his words but i can't google his logic.