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[nugnugx]

Should smoke get looked at ?

here is a replay of   vet 3 kch in green cover + t2 medkits from terror + t4 pills loosing to a rushing vet 1 ranger tommy with 5 man and officer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6W1jfu3hmg

[Mysthalin]

Smoke had pretty much nothing to do with that since both sides were being affected by it.

The green cover was largely irrelevant due to the fact the KCH got flanked(only the 3rd guy actually had any sort of cover).

Not to mention the thompson rangers happened to have the officer accompanying them, and a squad of rifles.

Finally, an anti-inf squad that costs a mere 110 mu SHOULD lose to the 180 mu anti-infantry squad that's supported by other units.

In short : stop crying.

[nugnugx]

And what about that they had pills, t2 medkits, and vet 3?

[Unkn0wn]

Well, what doctrine buffs did the rangers and the officer have?

[nugnugx]

I don't know if he had any buffs apart from officer and smoke.

[Unkn0wn]

Well that's kind of important as well, you're making it look as if your vet 3 doctrine buffed KCH lost versus non-doctrine buffed rangers/riflemen support by an officer. (Which as mysthalin pointed out, could still be explained)

[RoyalHants]

surely a 3 man 110 munitions squad will always lose too a 180 muni 6 man squad with officer and a rifle squad support regardless of doctrine buffs

[8thRifleRegiment]

Smoke does impact any of the factors in this situtation, smoke grants accuracy penaties to anyone shooting INTO IT and anyone inside it.

There are few weapons who do not recive the debuff in smoke like, Recoiless rifles and flame throwers.

But in this case its a clear 3v1, ontop of the fact they did get flanked and pervitin pills takes away health.

[nugnugx]

Smoke does impact any of the factors in this situtation, smoke grants accuracy penaties to anyone shooting INTO IT and anyone inside it.

So how will you explain that rangers hit more than kch which gain acc buff from pills ?

But in this case its a clear 3v1, ontop of the fact they did get flanked and pervitin pills takes away health.

Vanilla rifles does not do enough damage to have significant impact.

[RoyalHants]

So how will you explain that rangers hit more than kch which gain acc buff from pills ?



Vanilla rifles does not do enough damage to have significant impact.

because rangers are a 6 man squad so they fire more and more often

[Unkn0wn]

pervitin pills takes away health.

Not any more.

[nugnugx]

because rangers are a 6 man squad so they fire more and more often

only 4 got smg and in this case it was 5 man squad.

[RoyalHants]

well thats still 1 more smg than kch and 2 squad mebers more than the kch in short you were out gunned

[BigDick]

the pills are worthless now get rid of it and choose a proper T4/dual-T3


and actually stalin is right there was not just a as expensive rangersquad but also a rifle squad and an officer that give some strong buffs

[8thRifleRegiment]

So how will you explain that rangers hit more than kch which gain acc buff from pills ?

From MY experiances with smoke, i am led to belive units firing OUT of smoke have more accuracy then units firing INTO  the smoke

[nugnugx]

From MY experiances with smoke, i am led to belive units firing OUT of smoke have more accuracy then units firing INTO  the smoke

In your previous post you said

smoke grants accuracy penaties to anyone shooting into it and anyone inside it.

by that the accuracy would be the same for both ,  now you say

i am led to belive units firing OUT of smoke have more accuracy then units firing INTO  the smoke

If you don't know 100%, pls don't spread rumors.



On replay you can clearly see that rangers hit kch while kch make very little damage because they acc is way more off, and 2 kch are dead while no rangers die. The last kch manages to kill 2 rangers with last shot.

Without smoke this ranger squad and rifle squad would be dead. Rangers would be down to 2-3 men while getting so close to kch. I was standing in place so i had full acc.
The accuracy bonuses on smoke are too severe.

[8thRifleRegiment]

ahem.... why do you insist on twisting words. The second quote im generally stating that both of the units lose accuracy in smoke, and in the third and top one, im simply stating which one loses the most -_-

[EliteGren]

Any projectile that goes through the smoke is hit by a -75% accuracy penalty AFAIK

[8thRifleRegiment]

The accuracy bonuses on smoke are too severe.

Its smoke man, its supposed to be cover form heavy fire, like, laying it down infront of a machine gun to charge it with a flame thrower or something.

This guy with the KCH couldve just, could move away a little bit to some green cover farther back, and waited for the rangers to either, decide against attacking, or come out of the smoke and charge the kch in the farther back cover and without the smoke penalties wouldve got destoryed by the kch

[Mysthalin]

Everyone gets the exact same debuff. Both the people in the smoke, and the people out of the smoke.

The rangers were taking quite significant damage : they were at half health before the KCH were finally killed.

Basically, you were unlucky that the rangers felt like gunning the KCH guys one by one while your KCH fired at the ranger squad in it's whole (meaning each of them targeted different guys).

Focus fire = faster deaths = faster DPS drop-off.

That's why you lost, rather than the smoke fucking you over.