Cheap PGrens get RifleArmour instead of RangerArmour

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[Demon767]

If you want to attempt to do the same spam, use only Airborne RRs, same principle, more effective then shrek blobbing, more survivable.

[doesnttalkmuch]

Thx for the "output" out of RDG

I would like to know how to use the tool.
If I would be lazy I wouldn't post stuff

And
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No I dont like to spam...
It simply looks stupid running a blob over the map killing all stuff

I like to place mines and mg on good spots, taking an hold ground

[LeoPhone]

there is a topic stickied in the balance forum which explains to you how to check unit stats.

[DarkSoldierX]

Thing is that vanilla Pgrens have a slight DPS advantage over vanilla riflesquads, and they wont loose their firepower in a engagement vs a rifle squad until the rifle squad has already lost at least a man + maybe more worth of firepower. And with G43 suppress they can insta suppress a enemy target.

Somone should do a table like this for EiR lol.

http://www.omgmod.org/wiki/index.php/Base_Infantry_Comparison

Edit: Somone should calculate EiR vanilila Pgren DPS so we can see if they are fine at 215MP compared to wher grenadiers 240 MP.

[Unkn0wn]

Yea, times like this make me wish we had a wiki too, it's not easy for your average player to dig in corsix.

[LeoPhone]

Edit: Somone should calculate EiR vanilila Pgren DPS so we can see if they are fine at 215MP compared to wher grenadiers 240 MP.

go ahead: http://dow2.info/coh/Zaxis/rifles/

if you doubt vcoh stats are correct, use this: http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=19104.0

[Unkn0wn]

Need to update this

http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=13548.0

[DarkSoldierX]

go ahead: http://dow2.info/coh/Zaxis/rifles/

if you doubt vcoh stats are correct, use this: http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=19104.0

I know how, I just dont feel like calculating it.... was hoping somone else could.... *looks at myst*

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Yea, times like this make me wish we had a wiki too, it's not easy for your average player to dig in corsix.

well i could allways go back into thinking about working in this
http://europeinruins.wikia.com/wiki/Europe_in_Ruins_Wiki

[Demon767]

didnt Computer start that wiki?

[TheIcelandicManiac]

fuck if i care, he hasnt touched it so far as i can see exept for some 2-3 pages  of nothing.

[TheVolskinator]

PGrens are the bane of my existance, be it Vcoh (Myst, stfu), EiR, BoTB, or BKmod--if I see PGs I'm going to focus fire the fuckers to death, even if it means making ATGs shoot at them when a Panther is showing its ass ;/)

They arent OP, though in a ludicrous blob of 5+ squads, any infantry (aside from engies..lol...nobody is scared of engies) is imba effective..thats where MGs come into play. I dont even need to watch the replay, shrecks are better then ami/brit AT for good reason..it costs 120 MU (american ATG costs 110).

[Rocksitter]

 Wiki would be nice I have a tank spread sheet i was working on for quick reference...

[DarkSoldierX]

Ok, heres some stuff to think about -

Vanila Pgren DPS - 26.911 vs Inf armour Close Range

Vanila Gren DPS - 24.51 vs Inf armour Close Range

So basicly, they are the exact same platform, but in the closest range available Pgrens come out slightly more.

So I propose they should cost the same at 240 mp.

If anyone wants to redo the math go ahead, gren dps might be slightly higher as med and long, but at the most important range Pgrens come out ontop.

Anyone disagree Pgrens shouldn't be 240 MP?

[LeoPhone]

isn't long range the most important range?

[Mysthalin]

Not to mention infantry_armour isn't the only armour you'll be shooting at with the grens/pzgrens...

[DarkSoldierX]

Pgren normal kar, leader kar,g43, and gren kar, both have 0.75 dmg vs soldier.

Leader gren kar is 0.65 dmg against soldier.

So basicly, I have no doubt pgrens will come ontop there too.

And even if grens DID have slightly more dps vs soldier, they still deserve same price.

[LeoPhone]

grens have access to schrecks and lmgs.

if you want schrecks on pgrens MP price goes up too. (tank busters)

[DarkSoldierX]

That is unbalanced then if one took basic pgrens vs basic grens.

[smurfORnot]

not to mention they have medikits,which ads more to their survivability...