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[CommieKiller]

I find T4 MS too lacking compared to other T4s

Its buffs are too broad and not 'specified', as like in APCR, not to mention most of the buffs are related to speed.

I think going double T3 is better than going T4 MS


your thoughts?

[BigDick]

agree

me and aloha used that (and a bit later herrklaus) some noobz got ownd by medicore T4 (but actually by good teamplay) and QQ
http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=19445.0

it even got nerfed (we moved on in company build anyways) and nobody uses this shit anymore....

[smurfORnot]

it was great when you had passive lock down,now,with 50% speed moving marders,it's rly not worth it,too slow for anything,do yourself a favour and go with APCR,so when oyu lock down,you kill the shit of enemy tank...I just grinded some pp's for apcr,cuz this sucks for T4,only 'good' thing is mg for munition halftrack,rest is just too meh 

If that passive lock down wasnt shown,people wouldnt even know the difference 

[DarkSoldierX]

it was great when you had passive lock down,now,with 50% speed moving marders,it's rly not worth it,too slow for anything,do yourself a favour and go with APCR,so when oyu lock down,you kill the shit of enemy tank...I just grinded some pp's for apcr,cuz this sucks for T4,only 'good' thing is mg for munition halftrack,rest is just too meh 

If that passive lock down wasnt shown,people wouldnt even know the difference 

And people didnt know that pills gave 45% acc and 45% dmg for a while, But somehow that made it perfectly balanced right?

[smurfORnot]

so you are comparing thing that was bugged
,cuz they gave more buffs than they were supposed to ...to something that was working as intended 

[Unkn0wn]

Full speed moving lockdown marders was batshit OP. I think the ability is generally 'okay', not terrific, and we may review it a later stage, but we have higher priorities at the moment.

[smurfORnot]

ok,but half moving speed is just almost useless...apcr just seems as much superior T4.

[Mysthalin]

Full speed moving lockdown marders was batshit OP. I think the ability is generally 'okay', not terrific, and we may review it a later stage, but we have higher priorities at the moment.

How?

[Unkn0wn]

Because it essentially took away the entire downside of 'lock down'? Lock down provides massive buffs, at a cost, giving those buffs as a passive was just a stupid idea.

[DarkSoldierX]

How?

Hmm, the highest DPS anti tank weapon when with lockdown,  now is even mobile. I wonder what is OP about that.

[Mysthalin]

The buffs aren't even all that massive - nothing to the power of IST lockdown, for instance.

Which is a T3 and which doesn't even halve your movement speed.

Marder isn't the highest DPS anti-tank weapon.

[smurfORnot]

Lockdown:
+10.5 sight
-25% reload
+35% penetration
+10% damage
-35% received accuracy


APCR:
+35% penetration
+20% damage versus vehicle
+double critical chances
+0.5 deflection modifier (from 0.35, a 43% increase)

with apcr you get more or less same buffs as in lock down(sight ,and they are passive,and then you go into lock down and look what that T4 gives you then compared to passive lock down 

[DarkSoldierX]

Lockdown:
+10.5 sight
-25% reload
+35% penetration
+10% damage
-35% received accuracy


APCR:
+35% penetration
+20% damage versus vehicle
+double critical chances
+0.5 deflection modifier (from 0.35, a 43% increase)

with apcr you get more or less same buffs as in lock down(sight ,and they are passive,and then you go into lock down and look what that T4 gives you then compared to passive lock down 

I have no idea what your trying to say.

Plus, ever tried writing something that would pass for a 1st grade essays? Meaning punctuation... capitalization... you know the normal stuff that should be used when trying to prove a point?

[brn4meplz]

Some people have English as a 2nd, 3rd or 8th language. You try remembering all the grammar and punctuation required for that many languages. Harping on spelling and grammar over the internet is a sign of defeat in a discussion. Unless of course it's puddin in which case it's an excepted practice

[DarkSoldierX]

Well I have no idea what hes trying to say, so yeah I do require him to reword what hes saying. Not a sign of defeat at all in this case.

[smurfORnot]

with apcr you get more or less same buffs as in lock down

what is hard to understand in this?

with apcr it's almost like you have moving lockdown(minus sight what is not huge nerf,since marder should never be first)
then when you have apcr and go into lock down your marder becomes extremly good vs tanks,almost duble good compared to mechanised support marder.

[Unkn0wn]

with apcr it's almost like you have moving lockdown

It's not?

Because,
+25% penetration
+15% damage versus vehicle
+double critical chances
+0.5 deflection modifier (from 0.35, a 43% increase)

(Current APCR)

Is clearly less powerful than

+10.5 sight
-25% reload
+35% penetration
+10% damage
-35% received accuracy

(Lockdown, hint the reload & rec accuracy buffs are HUGE)

[DarkSoldierX]

what is hard to understand in this?

with apcr it's almost like you have moving lockdown(minus sight what is not huge nerf,since marder should never be first)
then when you have apcr and go into lock down your marder becomes extremly good vs tanks,almost duble good compared to mechanised support marder.

Yeah, ofcourse a T4 entirly devoted to AT vehicle capabilities is going to be better than a T4 thats meant to buff mobility in general, with some offensive buffs scattered around it.

What do you expect?

[smurfORnot]

wuf,whole lot of mobility you get