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Katusha
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[WM] Stug Range
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July 30, 2011, 09:48:16 pm »
Should it get 45 range? This is warranted with the new price increase to 150 fuel, and it IS a tank destroyer, and allied TD's get 45 range and have turrets. Personally I think it should go up to 160 fuel but get 47.5 or 50 range, because it is a tank destroyer with no turret. No turret means it needs range to keep tanks at bay.
What do you guys think?
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Tymathee
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Re: [WM] Stug Range
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July 30, 2011, 09:55:30 pm »
no diff between allied tank destroyers and the stug are higher acc vs infantry targets, better frontal armor, best tank top hmg and its really good vs all sherman types
and it's not a tank destroyer, it's an assault gun, totally different
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An assault gun is a gun or howitzer mounted on a motor vehicle or armored chassis, designed for use in the direct fire role in support of infantry when attacking other infantry or fortified positions.
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The primary German assault gun was the Sturmgeschütz III (StuG III). Armed with a high-velocity dual-purpose 75 mm gun, l/quote]
because it's sorta dual role as TD and ARty piece, the range is fine.
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AmPM
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Posts: 7978
Re: [WM] Stug Range
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July 30, 2011, 10:14:14 pm »
It should go to 45 range, it is completely inferior to an M10/M18 for everything.
No it is not good AI, no it is not good AT. All it is useful for is a Keep it Moving taxi.
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Smokaz
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Re: [WM] Stug Range
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July 30, 2011, 10:19:54 pm »
Stug is ok, my only gripe with it is how hard it is to pull a vet stug out of a sticky situation with it because of reverse issues and low health overall. A doctrine ability giving stugs P4 health (+200) be pretty cool. But 45-50 range? Dont think it will ever get that.
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nugnugx
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Re: [WM] Stug Range
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July 31, 2011, 01:00:35 am »
Hetzer went to 50 , stug is same , i don't see why stug shouldn't go to 50 also.
Hetzer is even more powerfull than stug because it snipes inf and can cloak.
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DarkSoldierX
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Re: [WM] Stug Range
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July 31, 2011, 01:41:42 am »
Quote from: nugnugx on July 31, 2011, 01:00:35 am
Hetzer went to 50 , stug is same , i don't see why stug shouldn't go to 50 also.
Hetzer is even more powerfull than stug because it snipes inf and can cloak.
Stug also cost 40% less fuel. Again nug logic has failed.
And the hetzer *buff* is very minuscule.
If you had a brain you would know the old hetzer is the exact same thing except it cost 25 munitions more.
And you people are asking a bit much for a 150 fuel vehicle.
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Poppi
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Re: [WM] Stug Range
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July 31, 2011, 01:42:13 am »
can m18s get a buff due to fuel increase too? mwah.
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nugnugx
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Re: [WM] Stug Range
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July 31, 2011, 01:42:47 am »
Quote from: DarkSoldierX on July 31, 2011, 01:41:42 am
Stug also cost 40% less fuel. Again nug logic has failed.
balance implies that when range would be increased price of fuel also would go up.
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And the hetzer *buff* is very minuscule.
from 40 range to 50 is minuscule?
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DarkSoldierX
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Re: [WM] Stug Range
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July 31, 2011, 01:44:58 am »
Quote from: Poppi on July 31, 2011, 01:42:13 am
can m18s get a buff due to fuel increase too? mwah.
stfu noob they did get buffed.
Quote from: nugnugx on July 31, 2011, 01:42:47 am
balance implies that when range would be increase to 50 price of fuel also would go up.
Request aren't a thing that should be added when the unit already has a niche.
The unit is fine where its at. A buff to it with a increase of price would what you
prefer
but not what you
need
. The only problem I see with stugs is maybe skirt price.
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nugnugx
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Re: [WM] Stug Range
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July 31, 2011, 01:46:55 am »
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The unit is fine where its at
If it is , why hetzer get buffed from 40 range to 50 ?
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DarkSoldierX
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Re: [WM] Stug Range
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July 31, 2011, 01:48:13 am »
Quote from: DarkSoldierX on July 31, 2011, 01:41:42 am
If you had a brain you would know the old hetzer is the exact same thing except it cost 25 munitions more.
herpaderp, nug do i have to quote myself this many times?
The reason they did it is because people will ALWAYS buy spotting scopes for the +10 range increase anyway, so might as well include it into the unit.
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AmPM
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Posts: 7978
Re: [WM] Stug Range
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July 31, 2011, 01:49:03 am »
Quote from: Poppi on July 31, 2011, 01:42:13 am
can m18s get a buff due to fuel increase too? mwah.
They got a massive buff recently.
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nugnugx
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Re: [WM] Stug Range
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Reply #12 on:
July 31, 2011, 01:52:53 am »
Quote from: DarkSoldierX on July 31, 2011, 01:48:13 am
The reason they did it is because people will ALWAYS buy spotting scopes for the +10 range increase anyway, so might as well include it into the unit.
but thats always an additional cost
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DarkSoldierX
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Re: [WM] Stug Range
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July 31, 2011, 02:00:37 am »
Quote from: nugnugx on July 31, 2011, 01:52:53 am
but thats always an additional cost
Did you even read what I said?
Before people ALWAYS bought spotting scopes, just like how people ALWAYS would have bought M8 skirt.
Now the range comes with the unit. Its a miniscule buff. 25 munitions less, big woop. And that also helps combat the problem of some mediums costing too much munitions compared to heavies. So in reality, Hetzer performance hasn't changed 1 bit, other than now you have a choice if you want that 10+ range or not.
Seriously, nugnug logic needs to get banned from the balance forums again. He makes sense not even.
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nugnugx
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Re: [WM] Stug Range
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July 31, 2011, 02:02:57 am »
Quote from: DarkSoldierX on July 31, 2011, 02:00:37 am
Before people ALWAYS bought spotting scopes, just like how people ALWAYS would have bought M8 skirt.
nope not always
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Seriously, nugnug logic needs to get banned from the balance forums again. He makes sense not even.
you need to get banned for your foul mouth
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DarkSoldierX
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Posts: 3015
Re: [WM] Stug Range
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July 31, 2011, 02:09:45 am »
Quote from: nugnugx on July 31, 2011, 02:02:57 am
nope not always
you need to get banned for your foul mouth
1.90% of the time
2. If not they are noob
3. This doesn't support your argument at all l2arguemainpointwithevidencenotjustpost
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I'd rather have a little bit of a "foul mouth" then be a mong posting stuff with no thought online.
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smurfORnot
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Re: [WM] Stug Range
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July 31, 2011, 02:57:58 am »
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The reason they did it is because people will ALWAYS buy spotting scopes for the +10 range increase anyway, so might as well include it into the unit.
People also always buy cheap repairs for m10,stug etc. etc. should they also come free them?
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25 munitions less
30mun less
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nugnugx
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Re: [WM] Stug Range
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July 31, 2011, 03:08:29 am »
Quote from: smurfORnot on July 31, 2011, 02:57:58 am
30mun less
If someone wants to make a hetzer spam company that is 180 mu with 6 hetzers, it's like 1 additional advantange unlock. For 180 mu you can buy a lot.
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smurfORnot
EIR Veteran
Posts: 4715
Re: [WM] Stug Range
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Reply #18 on:
July 31, 2011, 03:28:49 am »
no,I am just making comparassion to logic make it free,people always buy them,and it isnt that expensive with cheap repairs that people buy,so why not make them free by that logic . 30 mun is for repair,not scope.
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deadbolt
Probably Banned
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Posts: 4410
Re: [WM] Stug Range
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Reply #19 on:
July 31, 2011, 05:24:39 am »
but then stugs be trolling my pershing ;(
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