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« Reply #60 on: December 15, 2011, 04:59:56 pm » |
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I think the cache is going in the wrong direction, completely. The idea was to reduce spam of abusive abilities. There needs to be a small weapons cache, with a few key items/abilities on it (like my previous list) and that's it. Otherwise, why not just dump munitions and replace it with weapons cache? All it's serving atm is being a second munitions counter.
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« Reply #61 on: December 15, 2011, 05:12:34 pm » |
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My take on Weapons Cache; though Smokaz is at least tolerable compared to Groundfire's shenanigans.
Weapons Cache only applies to abilities that are not balanced within the normal game play parameters.
Assault/AW
Offmaps
Suppression Fire
Focus Fire
PPills
Elite Infantry
Things like Tank MGs, Grenades, etc, are not something to worry about. Apply the cure to the problem, not to everything.
In the case of keeping a Weapons Cache as it currently is, increase the pool to at least 100 and balance numbers from there.
But yes, Smokaz is much closer to being right.
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« Reply #62 on: December 15, 2011, 05:29:06 pm » |
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 This is why cache (in its current form) is bad. Look at the inf/veh/tank/support pool values, pretty even yeah? This is pretty much as balanced a company as you can make it. 6 G43 squads, 5 squads with only incendiary assault. Couple MG's, couple shrecks. 50mm halftracks. Panther. Healcar. Hummel. Couple muni HT's. IST. 3 panzerpios with demos. 2 MP44 squads with regular incendiaries. The cache punishes me for using this. Puddin has a perfectly functioning company with 3 commando snipers and a fuckton of commando piats with demos. Smokaz (and a few others) still have assault spam companies. I've seen some 4man KCH PPill spam still. Isn't that the shit we're trying to stop, not equal distribution (proper combined arms) companies? |
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« Reply #63 on: December 15, 2011, 05:33:23 pm » |
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Do you have any upgrades bought on the holding zone units?
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« Reply #64 on: December 15, 2011, 05:34:25 pm » |
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Derp, yeah i did, 1 incen asault, 1 g43, 1 AT nade. It's now down to -28.
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« Reply #65 on: December 15, 2011, 05:34:37 pm » |
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MY companies got mauled too. I don;t even need to list my shit. My Infantry company is about as Spammy as it gets.(4 GMC's and 3 Howitzers) and thats the limit of it's spam. I don't know anyone in the mod who could accuse me of having a spammy company except for maybe the 3 howitzers, and it's sitting at -14. My other companies I had to pull upgrades from until I can rework them
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« Reply #66 on: December 15, 2011, 05:40:16 pm » |
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This is why cache (in its current form) is bad. Look at the inf/veh/tank/support pool values, pretty even yeah? This is pretty much as balanced a company as you can make it. 6 G43 squads, 5 squads with only incendiary assault. Couple MG's, couple shrecks. 50mm halftracks. Panther. Healcar. Hummel. Couple muni HT's. IST. 3 panzerpios with demos. 2 MP44 squads with regular incendiaries. The cache punishes me for using this. Puddin has a perfectly functioning company with 3 commando snipers and a fuckton of commando piats with demos. Smokaz (and a few others) still have assault spam companies. I've seen some 4man KCH PPill spam still. Isn't that the shit we're trying to stop, not equal distribution (proper combined arms) companies? yo pretty much fucked as pe  |
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« Reply #67 on: December 15, 2011, 05:42:31 pm » |
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My Wehr MP40 + Medkit Volks + Tiger spam coy is fine, includes support weapons.
My Armor and Infantry Coys, fucked.
Terror Coy, fucked
Defensive Coy, Fucked
Thank god I barely play this mod anymore.
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« Reply #68 on: December 15, 2011, 05:43:09 pm » |
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decreasing the pool size didnt fuck your companies up. I just had to apply the cache points to certain weapons that werent getting it.
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« Reply #69 on: December 15, 2011, 05:44:59 pm » |
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And you apparently also applied cache cost to things that were not even supposed to get it.  |
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« Reply #70 on: December 15, 2011, 05:45:18 pm » |
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decreasing the pool size didnt fuck your companies up. I just had to apply the cache points to certain weapons that werent getting it.
No, the weapon cache did. With the cache how it is now, why do we even have munitions anymore? We can't even spend it all. What is the point of it? To limit upgrades or to limit OP item/ability spam? |
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« Reply #71 on: December 15, 2011, 05:53:18 pm » |
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« Reply #72 on: December 15, 2011, 05:55:10 pm » |
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I am already working on phase 2 of the WC system numbers, now that we have the base working. |
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« Reply #73 on: December 15, 2011, 05:56:07 pm » |
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« Reply #74 on: December 15, 2011, 05:57:07 pm » |
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Welp, then I'm not even going to bother playing if well designed companies are punished, and spam companies are encouraged.
Paradigm shifts into failure still count as shifts, i guess.
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« Reply #75 on: December 15, 2011, 05:58:18 pm » |
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Why make a balanced company of different units when you get punished for it. Just run assault spam Volks and win.
Besides, its not like Allies can fight you anymore with only 5-6 BAR squads.
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« Reply #76 on: December 15, 2011, 06:00:36 pm » |
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My companies and all the other 18 people in the lobby seem to be fine.
We must be doing something wrong...
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« Reply #77 on: December 15, 2011, 06:07:59 pm » |
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You're not playing PE, herpaderp. My US companies are fine. My wehr is fine. I don't even care about brits. PE is royally fucked.
But you'll just be a dumbass and hide behind your little clever picture and scrolling text when presented with a problem.
And there i was thinking smokaz was taking to aggressive an approach...
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« Reply #78 on: December 15, 2011, 06:10:55 pm » |
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Besides, its not like Allies can fight you anymore with only 5-6 BAR squads.
Why the hell would you fight Assault nades with bars? You're not playing PE...you'll just be a dumbass
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