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[Spartan_Marine88]

Orly?


Pak 40 VS CCT?

cct is not a battle tank, but an unarmed support tank


Fact is that a sniper unsupported with or without cloak deserves to die. Just like any other unsupported support unit.


sup·port  (s-pôrt, -prt)
tr.v. sup·port·ed, sup·port·ing, sup·ports
1. To bear the weight of, especially from below. (behind in this instance)
2. To hold in position so as to keep from falling, sinking, or slipping.
3. To be capable of bearing; withstand: "His flaw'd heart . . . too weak the conflict to support" (Shakespeare).
4. To keep from weakening or failing; strengthen: The letter supported him in his grief.
5. To provide for or maintain, by supplying with money or necessities.


The sniper is like the viagra that allows your sherman to penetrate deep

[tank130]

sigh......... Great now we derail to tank vs atg.

So Leo, you feel a unit that is is 80% more manpower and 40% more pop should be weaker because it is a support unit not a front line unit?

If being a support unit makes it inferior, then the price and pop should reflect that.

[RoyalHants]

cct is not a battle tank, but an unarmed support tank

Still a "Tank"

[Spartan_Marine88]

sigh......... Great now we derail to tank vs atg.

So Leo, you feel a unit that is is 80% more manpower and 40% more pop should be weaker because it is a support unit not a front line unit?

If being a support unit makes it inferior, then the price and pop should reflect that.

tank please shut up you clearly don't understand what you are talking about. Being support should mean not that its inherently weak, just not able to fight a battle on its own. If you are having trouble keeping your snipers alive its your own personal failing. They are one of the most powerful units in the game when used properly (supported and at a distance.) combining them with a single ht makes them nearly op in thier ability to move about the battlefield and stay protected from the very thing your crying about.

Having one squad of rifles nearby means no infantry has a chance of rushing it. Hence the support nature of the unit, implying that it is weaker on its own.

Still a "Tank"

but not a front line unit

[LeoPhone]

sigh......... Great now we derail to tank vs atg.

So Leo, you feel a unit that is is 80% more manpower and 40% more pop should be weaker because it is a support unit not a front line unit?

If being a support unit makes it inferior, then the price and pop should reflect that.

its not inferior.
derail: tank vs leo

lawl

[RoyalHants]

but not a front line unit

Really, how else is it to convey its buffs?

[nikomas]

Really, how else is it to convey its buffs?

LOL... By staying behind the tank it is "SUPPORTING", frontline is front row, the CCT is on second unless used to tank damage? I'd assume anyway, I dont play brits...

If being a support unit makes it inferior, then the price and pop should reflect that.

I think that's a wrong way to put it, rather...
A support unit is extremly lethal with in's role, but extremly restricted in other areas...

In this case, the sniper needs close range support including support against cloaked hunters... a Jeep/Sniper combo would do just fine in this case, not only to decloak but to block attacking troops if they lack AT weaponry.

It's like how a flanked MG/ATG is likely a dead one.

[tank130]

Fact is that a sniper unsupported with or without cloak deserves to die. Just like any other unsupported support unit.

Vanilla Storm - 300 MP / 5 pop /
Sniper - 540MP / 200 Muni - PLUS support (whatever the fuck you want)

Storm and sniper decloak each other at same distance - (basically right on top of each other)

Sniper will die long before the support can kill the storms.

A motorcycle is a cheap counter to a sniper, but risks being detected and destroyed by the sniper support before it can get to the sniper. The storm can not be detected or destroyed until it is right on top of the sniper = sniper dead.

[Spartan_Marine88]

if you lose a sniper to a vanilla storm squad while you have support nearby. You just won the worst player of the year award.

[RoyalHants]

LOL... By staying behind the tank it is "SUPPORTING", frontline is front row, the CCT is on second unless used to tank damage? I'd assume anyway, I dont play brits...

CCt is always in front absorbs damage from anything that might want to target your firefly or tank

[Demon767]

i dont know how this is a problem, storms scouting a sniper which requires the unit to be RIGHT ontop of the sniper

err

no

no one should be leaving a sniper that exposed, the best sniper users have there snipers intwined in there own and team mates unit.

its like describing any of infantry walking up to the sniper, except the decloak is shorter, what a waste of time.

[tank130]

if you lose a sniper to a vanilla storm squad while you have support nearby. You just won the worst player of the year award.

Are you fucking retarded today or what?

A vanilla storm will kill a sniper in a couple of seconds. Tell me any unit that will completely destroy a storm squad in less time that it takes a storm squad to kill a sniper.

The storms and sniper will decloak less than 1/2 an inch of screen width apart. The sniper will be half destroyed before the support gets the first shot off.

[nikomas]

CCt is always in front absorbs damage from anything that might want to target your firefly or tank

Well, in this case it is a player deciding to put his support tank on the front line, if it's recommended to use it like this I think it's a poorly designed "support" unit, lol.

Nevertheless, it's still a support tank as it exists to convey buffs to other tanks and not deal damage, as such it does not count when he was talking about battle tanks  

[Spartan_Marine88]

Are you fucking retarded today or what?

A vanilla storm will kill a sniper in a couple of seconds. Tell me any unit that will completely destroy a storm squad in less time that it takes a storm squad to kill a sniper.

The storms and sniper will decloak less than 1/2 an inch of screen width apart. The sniper will be half destroyed before the support gets the first shot off.

Actually no, just tired of you bitching and crying about storms because your too incompetent to deal with them.


Bar suppression storms are pinned. And if your american it doesn't cost much to pop a sniper right back in the ht its sitting beside. so many ways to deal with them, but this is like your third storms are too op thread.

[tank130]

i dont know how this is a problem, storms scouting a sniper which requires the unit to be RIGHT ontop of the sniper

err

no

no one should be leaving a sniper that exposed, the best sniper users have there snipers intwined in there own and team mates unit.

its like describing any of infantry walking up to the sniper, except the decloak is shorter, what a waste of time.

You are completely missing the point. The sniper could be in the middle of every allied unit on the field. If the storm gets in (which it will because it is cloaked - duh) it will kill the sniper quicker than you can kill it with all your support.

I suppose if every fucking unit on the field could open fire at exactly the same time on the storms, the sniper may survive, but seriously, let's not get fucking stupid about this.

[Spartan_Marine88]

You are completely missing the point. The sniper could be in the middle of every allied unit on the field. If the storm gets in (which it will because it is cloaked - duh) it will kill the sniper quicker than you can kill it with all your support.

This just is not true.


And if this happens its because you were a fucking moron and not moving your sniper from place to place because they would have had to know exactly where the thing was parked.

[tank130]

Actually no, just tired of you bitching and crying about storms because your too incompetent to deal with them.


Bar suppression storms are pinned. And if your american it doesn't cost much to pop a sniper right back in the ht its sitting beside. so many ways to deal with them, but this is like your third storms are too op thread.

So sad that you choose this way of having a discussion. If you can't contribute something intelligent, you result to insults to save face.

I have countered your useless argument with facts, I am sorry that upsets you so..... I know it must be hard to have a player who is considered shitty, point out your mistake, but man up and accept it.

For the record, I have four storms in my Blitz company.

Bar suppression storms are pinned.

LOL....so fail. Suppression is not instant. The storms will kill the sniper before they are pinned.

And if your american it doesn't cost much to pop a sniper right back in the ht its sitting beside.

This may have a remote chance of working. It would assume that the sniper is closer to the HT than the distance the storms can decloak it. Of course now it takes 540MP / 240Muni plus 220 MP / 25 Fuel to avoid getting killed by a 300 MP cloaking unit.

I appreciate you adding even more reasons why this needs to be looked at.

[tank130]

This just is not true.


And if this happens its because you were a fucking moron and not moving your sniper from place to place because they would have had to know exactly where the thing was parked.

HUH?

This doesn't even make sense. I guess I am a moron because what you just wrote doesn't even make any sense. Try again.

[Demon767]

You are completely missing the point. The sniper could be in the middle of every allied unit on the field. If the storm gets in (which it will because it is cloaked - duh) it will kill the sniper quicker than you can kill it with all your support.

I really don't see any problem with a unit sneaking in and killing that particular sniper, if you can micro around every single allied unit running around, then that's epic.

I see NO problem in that whatsoever.

[Demon767]

Id say, this is a particular strategy Blitz users will use, WHY are you trying to stop this particular tactic. This just adds a brick to the wall of tactics you can employ to defeat your enemy, you are punishing a tactic, not the unit itself.