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[TheVolskinator]

These used to be the laughing stock of EiR, the worst (after the 50mm puma) unit the WM had to offer. After the wipe, all I see is people spamming the fuck out of them, and it works. Mines seldom seem to stop the horde, mass zooks don't work, multiple ATGs, even tiered ones dont seem to stop the rush. So how would one counter companies with 6-12 suicide flammenwerfers in them.

On another note, you can spam them and still afford a Panther on a lv1 company, and still field a VERY balanced and effective company on top of them--in essence, the flammens are an "I win" button vs US players with ATG based AT. The Panther just mops up everything on treads thats not an FF.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

yea i agree, i have been using them in masses and for the cost of only 260 man and 40 fule they can rofl stomp any unprepared infantry, and ontop of that they get 2 flamers and are almost un-killable by rifles even in hoards.
I myself have 8 of them in all my companys and i love them when attacking with panthers.

only thing needed is to increase the pop by maybe 1 pop and/or increase the pool cost of them for with their low cost and being the roflcounter to rangers they are too easily spammable but on a side note they are the hard counter to allied blobs or the allied iron wall.

I am having a massive Deja vu right now.

too add having 8 flammens if you have the teir 2 fuel advantage you can still have a tiger, panther and 4 bikes but the flammes for me also count as sniper counters.

[Malgoroth]

medium armor, piats in a bren carrier, zooks (despite what you say), RRs, intelligent mine placement (again, despite what you say), a pair of m8's, stags...

If your being rushed by like 4 flammens then group your AT together. Don't cry because your sticky rifles and zook squad got stomped because they were by themselves.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

medium armor

Panther to counter it

piats in a bren carrier

not everyone uses those and also panther

zooks

Rangers(if i remember correctly have elite armor) get roflowned by the flames and they get pushed by the flammes so having 2 of them enables you to prevent them from shooting unless there are 2 or more squads of them

RRs

useful but an expensive counter to something that can die in a few seckonds if the flammen user is lucky.

intelligent mine placement

all depends on the players, not everyone is running mines and even tough a mine hits its only causing a damaged engine to what is an 260 man and 40 fuel unit that can still fire both of its guns

a pair of m8' stags

not sure but i think it takes 6-8 shots for an m8 to kill a flammen so its not the most effective counter and you would need to know ahead of time if the enemy is bringing it on or not.


I have used this unit a lot lately and with my own experience know that they need either a Pool increase or a pop increase for honestly 6 pool for something like that is just plain retarded.

[AmPM]

Panther to counter it
not everyone uses those and also panther
Rangers(if i remember correctly have elite armor) get roflowned by the flames and they get pushed by the flammes so having 2 of them enables you to prevent them from shooting unless there are 2 or more squads of them

useful but an expensive counter to something that can die in a few seckonds if the flammen user is lucky.

all depends on the players, not everyone is running mines and even tough a mine hits its only causing a damaged engine to what is an 260 man and 40 fuel unit that can still fire both of its guns

not sure but i think it takes 6-8 shots for an m8 to kill a flammen so its not the most effective counter and you would need to know ahead of time if the enemy is bringing it on or not.


I have used this unit a lot lately and with my own experience know that they need either a Pool increase or a pop increase for honestly 6 pool for something like that is just plain retarded.

m10/m18's; get 2, should kill it all.

[TheVolskinator]

Without ATG support, any form of AT from the Axis team will tip the balance of the fight in their favor. Even a single faust, and your dual TDs are gg. Nice try, but the "Rifles, TDs, and ATGs brochaho" argument doesn't work here AM.

[AmPM]

How so? If they are spamming Flammens and a Panther thats pretty much 1 whole players pop. Why can't you do 2 M18's and counter than for less? I'm confused here.

That's what, 24pop? Just use 2 TDs and a Quad or something.

[TheVolskinator]

Youre going to magically predict he's starting with nothing but a Panther and flammens? Enuff theory crafting.

[Malgoroth]

Flammenwerfers can't be countered because the axis have counters to the allies counters.

Is that not theory crafting?

[Jodomar]

omg, please tell me I'm dreaming and this isn't an actual forum thread? If you get raped by flammenwerfers you deserve it.  A fly could piss on a flammenwerfers and it would blow up. Stagger your at guns, have a tank to support, maybe some stickies, good mine placement on your flanks, light vehicle. You can also block these things with your jeep, halftrack, quad (which does dmg them), or any other vehicle so your atg can get a shot on it. I don't really see these as an issue because they can't take hits for shit. If someone is spamming them then that means they have a lot less armor in their company. Now flammenwerfers for the unprepared or at lacking people will have a very bad day. Hell, I was bitching about them costing to much manpower the other day and now you say their op, I laugh at you sir.

[Smokaz]

You can easily outlast them if you have enough AT firepower, because it's amazing play by the wehr players if he is getting off repairs on his flammenwefer spam.

[AmPM]

Youre going to magically predict he's starting with nothing but a Panther and flammens? Enuff theory crafting.

I figure you could use any number of recon abilities, listen to the spawn, or use a Jeep and call out appropriate counters after you lose some infantry. Oh noes! You lost units!! Oh noes! You lost less resources than they do!!

[NightRain]

Why am I seeing this thread...flammenwerfer...OP...

tankedit: personal attacks removed

[aeroblade56]

i wouldnt say op, but they hurt especially with the 2 buffs from terror i think its like extra 20% damage? total. it becomes somewhat of a tragic death when it comes to brits. *derp moving car derp 1 atg shot derp button doesnt work on HTs.

[NightRain]

i wouldnt say op, but they hurt especially with the 2 buffs from terror i think its like extra 20% damage? total. it becomes somewhat of a tragic death when it comes to brits. *derp moving car derp 1 atg shot derp button doesnt work on HTs.

Flamethrower doesn't kill with damage, it kills with criticals and I don't think flammenwerfer has as high crit chance as engineer or pioneer flamethrower therefore the damage doesn't exactly do anything.

[AmPM]

This is pretty much the funniest thread in a long time 

[aeroblade56]

Flamethrower doesn't kill with damage, it kills with criticals and I don't think flammenwerfer has as high crit chance as engineer or pioneer flamethrower therefore the damage doesn't exactly do anything.

it still makes Brits into to ash faster then you can eat a 2 oz bag of doritos.

[PonySlaystation]

LVs, ATGs, Mines, Stickies, AP rounds HMGs, Bazookas or RRs are all viable counters.

[CrazyWR]

my favorite part is the game that spawned this thread consisted of him continually dropping smoke in a field, running his troops into it, and then being surprised when flammens rape him in said flames and his units couldn't kill said flammens.

[Poppi]

dont people know that you are suppossed to keep a tight group of m10s, atg, zooks, and rr so they can kill those cheap flammens so that arty can wipe out a few of your callins.