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[AmPM]

No, it's ability does not need to change. It's price however needs to go up.

[Demon767]

all you fools who think its a tank destroyer

 

[AmPM]

all you fools who think its a tank destroyer

 

It's a TD like the STuG is a TD...

[Demon767]

It's a TD like the STuG is a TD...

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[Spartan_Marine88]

It is quite obviously meant to KILL TANKS. Who fucking cares about what it could do in the real war?

Who the fuck doesn't care.

I want the Panther to act like a fucking Panther, not a huge fucking M10.

[brn4meplz]

I don't see the issue. Yeah the price could go up, that can be discussed. We did drop the price alot.

However, things you pay lots for generally do more aswell. You wouldn't pay 450fu for an M10 in it's current form. The reason why the M10 and M18 were such an issue is because they had the generalist appeal of a Medium tank and the cost of a specialist tank.


My Marders are dirt cheap because they only kill things with a bigger then infantry hitbox. And those infantry can actually kill a Marder with Rifles. If the Marder got the ability to load HE rounds or suddenly found itself effective against Infantry you bet we'd jump the price.

[FailHammer]

panthers are also a much bigger pop sink, just think about your argument. If they made m10s 14 pop you wouldnt use them would you. So dont take the panther and make it an m10. put a few extra atgs in your co and laugh at the fucking huge pop sink panther that just plays with its dick in the corner

[DarkSoldierX]

Who the fuck doesn't care.

I want the Panther to act like a fucking Panther, not a huge fucking M10.

If my eyes arn't totaly shit yet I believe the OP only talked about reducing panther acc vs ATGs, which I am not supporting.

But I would support a adjustment to panther price. Thing is a little bit too cheap with the new metagame.

[panzerman]

problem is the meta game keeps changing.

[NightRain]

If Panther pricing went up to AMPM's suggestion of 510 and 550 with fuel I'd never pay as much as a failger from a panther because losing it would hurt far more than it currently does. Yeah sure lets invest over 1/3 of your fuel for one vehicle.

Panther's performance versus infantry targets is good and I never saw any issue with it even if I played with allies (My only grudge is it one shooting officers QQ). Versus infantry it is only medicore, yes doc buffs gives it nice bonuses versus them but it is not sufficient enough. Increase Fuel price by 10 to 460 so that you CAN have 3 of them with skirts but that is T3 Fuel and 1500 fuel total for 3 vehicles. Panthers aint as hard to deal with how people make it sound like. It isnt a M10, its not a dedicated tank hunter, it is a Medium with higher anti-tank capalities. Should its total price go higher than 500 it is overpriced. Should its normal stats be touched, it'd be a unneccessary change.

The best way to go is increase its fuel cost by 10. Then it is 500 with skirts. Populationwise 14 is questionable, it has always been 15 in the past but I guess 15 is more for heavier vehicles.

[jackmccrack]

Panthers are great anti-infantry.

[Shabtajus]

all you fools who think its a tank destroyer

 

hahaha demon very funny hahaha, no ofc its aint TD just kills all allied tanks, i mean so what tank is panther? look at curent meatgame, how many u see tigers lately and how awfull they perform, i think tiger needs some love and panthers some changes, its ridiculious that having 6  or 7 m10s are OP and 3 panthers are not, keep in mind blitz company its just retarded how powerfull it becomes

[NightRain]

hahaha demon very funny hahaha, no ofc its aint TD just kills all allied tanks, i mean so what tank is panther? look at curent meatgame, how many u see tigers lately and how awfull they perform, i think tiger needs some love and panthers some changes, its ridiculious that having 6  or 7 m10s are OP and 3 panthers are not, keep in mind blitz company its just retarded how powerfull it becomes

No one uses Tigers because it is such awful slow piece of shit that can't perform its role well- whatever its role really is plus it is expensive as it is. Panther is more suitable due to its speed and ability to take on allied tanks and can actually pounce 57mms reliably unlike the Tiger.  Just because M10 went up doesn't mean Panther should go up for several reasons.

Sticky bombs - look at me engine damage
Button even if weaker still works
Expensive - lack in numbers.


M10s were used like suicide things, charge in crush inf kill a tank die, call in another one which was why it was problematic because it performed that role very well, smashed infantry to bits with its treads and with its cannon- aka did AI and AT role well along with the hellcat that had retardedly good accuracy against infantry. A single panther cost equals 2x M10s...so I'd expect it to perform quite well.

[aeroblade56]

No one uses Tigers because it is such awful slow piece of shit that can't perform its role well- whatever its role really is plus it is expensive as it is. Panther is more suitable due to its speed and ability to take on allied tanks and can actually pounce 57mms reliably unlike the Tiger.  Just because M10 went up doesn't mean Panther should go up for several reasons.

Sticky bombs - look at me engine damage
Button even if weaker still works
Expensive - lack in numbers.


M10s were used like suicide things, charge in crush inf kill a tank die, call in another one which was why it was problematic because it performed that role very well, smashed infantry to bits with its treads and with its cannon- aka did AI and AT role well along with the hellcat that had retardedly good accuracy against infantry. A single panther cost equals 2x M10s...so I'd expect it to perform quite well.

Well of course they are suicide machines ffs its got wheat thin armor. if you made m10s more armor maybe people wouldnt suicide them. Currently my leaderboard m10 is the only one i keep alive ant its fucking hard. i dont know how many times its been tellered stormed,pak. its just alot of crap to worry about keeping it alive. with such weak armor  even faust scare me.

[Poppi]

Well of course they are suicide machines ffs its got wheat thin armor. if you made m10s more armor maybe people wouldnt suicide them. Currently my leaderboard m10 is the only one i keep alive ant its fucking hard. i dont know how many times its been tellered stormed,pak. its just alot of crap to worry about keeping it alive. with such weak armor  even faust scare me.

thats how i felt about the whole thing.
first off m10 arent AI really. Like would you defend an ATG with a m10 or m18 if 2 shrek teams came rushing in. no. Chances are you cant even hit one guy.
and most times i hear bitching about m10 spams its b/c all AT for axis has been spent or their tard ass didnt bring any.
you can use about 20pop to take down 80pop worth of m10/m18 in about 30 seconds. What doesnt hurt those things?
And whats wrong with a suicide tactic. If they want to spend about 200fu and send a tank blindly to chase after a wounded one where chances are most axis heavy armor will deflect a round or 2 even with little health left, and that m10 will blow up b/c someone threw a rock at it. Figure axis would be happy about suicidal m10s.

So increase the price to justify that and then throw in nerfed acc against inf. Adding insult to injury. Two nerfs really? Against one of the easiest units to kill?