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[nikomas]

http://kotaku.com/5920234/if-you-buy-diablo-iii-online-you-may-have-to-wait-72-hours-to-play-the-whole-game

As of patch 1.0.3, when purchasing a digital version of Diablo III through the online store or your Battle.net Account, players are restricted to the Starter Edition for the first 72 hours (sometimes less). Players on Starter Editions have the following restrictions:

Act I up to the Skeleton King is available
Level 13 cap
Matchmaking available only with other Starter Edition players
No Auction House access (Real Money or Gold)
Global Play is not available. Players attempting to connect to Diablo III Starter Edition in a region other than their Battle.net Account's home region will receive Error 12. See the Global Play support article for more information.



Outside of the issue that we fixed, digital purchases do require a review period before they kick over from Starter to Full editions. We apologize for the inconvenience, but it is a necessary step to combat fraud and other malicious activities that can weaken everyone's play experience.

The delay is no longer than three days, and is often much quicker than that. Hang tight.



So, this makes me even happier I skipped that game, so the ones that defended the always online shit among other things, you willing to defend this to?

[AmPM]

Yes.

Credit and identity fraud are easy to commit, and even easier with digital purchasing. Do you think that anything that allows the loss and gain real money wouldn't include security?

Imagine this, bunch of people log into accounts purchased with stolen credit cards, then use it to buy a ton of stuff, transfer it to other accounts and then sell it. Free money. Identity and credit fraud. Easy to do.

I'm not sure where the issue is.

[nikomas]

The line is quite bloody visable to me...

GunStore - You want to buy this handgun? I'm sorry but there is a waiting period while we run a background check, sorry for the inconvinence...
Me - Oh, makes perfect sense, guns are dangerous and should be sold with care!

Blizzard - Thank you for your purchause, now enjoy this demo for 3 days while we run a check.
Me - Oh that makes perfect sen... No it does not, that's bullshit

Major Hardware Store - I'm sorry, since your order costs more than a measly 50£ we will need 3 or so days to run a check before we send the stuff, sorry!
Me - Dafuq?


The issue is that if I were to buy D3 right bloody now, I shouldnt be restricted to a demo because it's more convinient for blizzard...
You see, they are not doing this to protect consumers in any way, they are doing it to protect themselves and only themselves, there is a reason no other game company I know of does this you know. Better yet, just like their always online BS this is also blamed on the online auction stuff...
They could still just offer to make offline characthers if that was actually the case.

[AmPM]

So what you are saying, is that Blizzard should allow someone to steal your card, buy the game, make thousands of dollars in purchases, transfer it all to other accounts, sell it and withdraw the money?

Because that's what we are talking about, real money. I've made a decent amount so far, and I would be pissed if Blizzard didn't verify all their stuff before people bought my stuff, or if someone took my info and ran a good bit of fraud with it.

Who's to say they stop at $60 dollars for the game, it's easy to buy thousands of dollars worth of stuff.

It's like saying you are a bank, and someone wants to apply for a line of credit. Do you do a background check? Yes. Do they always instantly approve. No.

[nikomas]

And what I'm saying is, dont turn games into a fucking buisniss thank you. I bet you look forward to the day games become a full blown serviece and not and stop being products, that way you can always feel secure knowing that daddy watches over you and can terminate anyones game if they do anything wrong, because that's actiblizzards wet dream and thats how far they'll take it if you let them.

I also hope you're willing to embrace the death of modding, because as far as I can tell that's not possible to with D3 either.

You may like the bloody RM auction house, but for me and many others greedy fuckers have made me not want to play I game I would be all over otherwise, you dont even want to know how much time me and my friends spent on D2 in lan parties and otherwise in our elemntary school years.

This whole mess is blizzards fault to begin with, these scams are only occuring because blizzard build the AH to begin with. Anyone with half a brain could predict that if they were going to involve real money directly scammers would flock to the thing like flies to a carcass. It's blizzards fault for attracting the scammers in the first place and then failing to put decent measuers in there to prevent them doing stuff like that.


Any reason they coundlt just have done this? Any new game is barred from the RM auctionhouse for the first few days. There are no other good reasons for all those other restrictions now are there?


To give a better example, what blizzard did was basically hang up a sign that said "We didnt have enough room for all the money in the bank valt, so we're now storing billions behind the counter... Please dont scam us!"

[AmPM]

See, I bought it for 2 reasons.


1: DIABLO

2: RMAH, yay! Making money for PLAYING A GAME. I run my AH like it is a business, I appreciate that Blizz do the same. Don't like the AH? Ok, fine. Wait the 3 WHOLE DAYS and you are home free.

I would be fucking pissed if someone bought a couple hundred dollars worth of items off me and then I had my money taken because it was from a stolen card.

Oh noes! Cause there were no scammers in any other MMOG...oh wait, all of them...yea...they all have scammers...you know why? Because time is always worth money.

[nikomas]

Diablo, Massive Multiplayer Online Game?

Yeah, You've lost me there


And as far as "other games" go, no other game I know of needed to restict player acces like this, if I buy a product I should expect it to work on day 1, then again, diablo as a whole didnt do that either. It's not a fucking MMO, it should not have MMO problems because of blizzard getting greedy and wanting a slice of the player RM market that exists in certain games, period.

Diablo may have had multiplayer, but it was NEVER an MMO, it was lobby based multiplayer.

[Demon767]

If i were to play buy Diablo and have to play 72 in game hours just to get into the normal version... well then i would not buy and play the game. Only game ive got 72 in game hours on was warband. one game.

[AmPM]

If i were to play buy Diablo and have to play 72 in game hours just to get into the normal version... well then i would not buy and play the game. Only game ive got 72 in game hours on was warband. one game.

You have to own it for 72 hours, as in, the account is 72 hours old. Gives them time to check things out.

[Demon767]

oh ok, i wouldnt care about the 72 hours then

[Smokaz]

FUCK, ampm is so weird.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

FUCK, ampm is so weird.

Not weird, American. He's used to surrendering rights on a regular basis.

[lionel23]

And of course if you buy it retail, you get instant access to the game... sorry can't defend Blizzard for the stupid decision to delay an online purchase by 3 days because they can't put the safeguards in that no one else has issues with that forces the customer (a paying, law-abiding customer) to deal with major inconvenience like this.

@ Vermillion Hawk - And I'm American too, just because we are doesn't mean we all give up our rights.  I for one dislike this point but I fully support the Patriot Act, for example.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

@ Vermillion Hawk - And I'm American too, just because we are doesn't mean we all give up our rights.  I for one dislike this point but I fully support the Patriot Act, for example.

That would necessitate a readjustment of priority if you believe it is wrong to deprive online customers of their product for 72 hours, but it is not wrong to deprive citizens of their basic rights and imprison them under suspicion alone, not to mention seize personal information without a warrant.

[AmPM]

And of course if you buy it retail, you get instant access to the game... sorry can't defend Blizzard for the stupid decision to delay an online purchase by 3 days because they can't put the safeguards in that no one else has issues with that forces the customer (a paying, law-abiding customer) to deal with major inconvenience like this.

@ Vermillion Hawk - And I'm American too, just because we are doesn't mean we all give up our rights.  I for one dislike this point but I fully support the Patriot Act, for example.

Lionel, true, but if you buy it retail, you are required by law to show ID. A bit harder than just taking a credit card and their billing address.

With the amounts of money changing hands, I actually expect more security...I'm talking in some cases more than $200 per item.

I'm still shocked that people think that buying a license to use a product is the same as having a right to use a product.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

Your views on property rights are, as always, disturbing, but such is the product of an extreme capitalist, Social Darwinist environment such as America. Instead of, perhaps, restricting access to the game as a whole and requiring all these unnecessary security measures, they should instead limit the restrictions to the use of the auction house, and not the game itself.

[Spartan_Marine88]

Lionel, true, but if you buy it retail, you are required by law to show ID. A bit harder than just taking a credit card and their billing address.

You are?

[EIRRMod]

You are?

Yeah, if you purchase with a credit card.

AmPM is right here, I dont want my cred card OR my paypal account hacked and drained because Blizzard had poor security measures.

And this is exactly what its about.

If you dont want the stand-down, dont buy it online.
If you dont want to leave your cheetos stained desk, wait 72 hours for your account to upgrade.

[EIRRMod]

Your views on property rights are, as always, disturbing, but such is the product of an extreme capitalist, Social Darwinist environment such as America. Instead of, perhaps, restricting access to the game as a whole and requiring all these unnecessary security measures, they should instead limit the restrictions to the use of the auction house, and not the game itself.

This aspect, is indeed the crux.

They could have opened up the game as per normal - but left just the RMAH disabled for a time, THAT may have worked better imo.

[PonySlaystation]

It's 72 hours, not 72 hours of actual game time.