lionel23
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« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2012, 05:24:22 pm » |
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Well, Panther is a general unit available to ALL Axis factions, while the Pershing is a heavy tank T3 unlock, so I fnd it a valid argument that the only comparable unit is a doctrine specific T3 tank.
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Congratulations, dear sir...I must say, never before have I seen such precise gunnery displayed. - CrazyWR (on Leaderboard Howitzers)  |
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« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2012, 05:31:49 pm » |
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The pool will be lowered if necessary. I'm more concerned about how the M18 is going to affect the metagame than anything else. The M18 is a bigger nerf to the Panther than any of the other changes.
1v1 a M18 will bring a panther down to roughly 40%.
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lionel23
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« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2012, 05:33:08 pm » |
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But still die. If most companies field 3 panthers and you can only bring 5-6 m18s... *shrug* Got to see how it affects the meta game first I think from actual use and testing.
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« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2012, 05:43:16 pm » |
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The most important thing the panther needed was a massive nerf to its AI capability....p4 and ostwind fill the AI role for wehr, and IST for PE. Lets the Panther/Stug/Marder handle AT roles...
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1. New tactics? it's like JAWS, first one in the water dies
RCA-land where shells fall like raindrops and the Captain is an invincible god
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lionel23
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« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2012, 05:45:08 pm » |
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Agreed, P4 is excellent at AI with decent AT, while panther (in old form) was too good against both for it's price. Can't wait to get a chance to play this when I get back this weekend ^^
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« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2012, 06:09:13 pm » |
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Rest assured if we did overnerf the panther we will lower the pool value.
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« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2012, 06:16:43 pm » |
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I believe it. So far it seems like things have gotten much better over the last few months. Done a great job so far pq.
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« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2012, 06:18:02 pm » |
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Thanks Crazy
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« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2012, 06:26:15 pm » |
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As much as I despise this patch, loathing and detesting almost every nerf and buff present within it... there is no denying that the mod has improved dramatically since the introduction of the warmap.
I trust the devs to do the right thing when they realize their follies.
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« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2012, 07:10:56 pm » |
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1v1 with a panther without support, other than a Pershing, it's done.
but cant a panther take on a non HVAP pershing by "itself"? Especially using kite method. And the pershing is limited to 2 and a t3 unlock and only in 1 doc. my problem with the panther is that you usually see most WM companies stuff their companies with them so in some games i was dealing with 9 panthers per game, and panthers are a serious threat and the most bang for their buck. While i agree its Inf acc was wayyyy to accurate, i dont know how people can justify by elminating just that it would be enough. I mean if panthers are causing you greef and your crying about it most of the time those panthers rarely had over 10 inf kills. U think dropping that down to 6 inf kills will make the panther problem go away? Long story shoty a slight AI acc drop isnt enough to solve the "problem". |
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« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2012, 07:46:25 pm » |
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Yes but the deffirence is that m10s u can have much more of and when u get 6 kills on a panther but average 6 on 6-7 TD it starts to add up.
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You are welcome to your opinion.
You are also welcome to be wrong.
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« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2012, 08:18:41 pm » |
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Yes but the deffirence is that m10s u can have much more of and when u get 6 kills on a panther but average 6 on 6-7 TD it starts to add up.
true dat. maybe i should edit the m10 part out. i digress |
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« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2012, 11:13:19 pm » |
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If any allied tank got caught in a 1v1 with a panther without support, other than a Pershing, it's done.
Wait,strongest and most expensive(not including KT) wehr AT unit,more expensive than allied counterparts can solo them 1v1? OMG Tym,yea,I can definatelly see somtehing wrong here  Rangers can solo volks,there is something wrong with this! Either buff volks,or nerf rangers by your logic |
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nikomas
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« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2012, 11:46:05 pm » |
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For the last bloody time... Panther = Multirole
If you want pure AT, there are much better options for that, if you want something to shoot up inf and can defend itself from light tanks you get a P4... If you want someting for the price of 2 P4's, you get something that can do both, a panther.
Yeah, sucks that all WM docs have acces to what is essentially a pershing, you can thank relic for that, either live with it being multirole or replace it with dedicated AT. But the day I'd pay for an AT only panther is the day I quit this mod.
If the panther was a dedicated AT unit I'd expect it to outperform a firefly in pure AT ability given it costs 130 more fuel, but it doesnt, a firefly and cct will fuck it over in a hartbeat and even with the CCT the firefly comes out cheaper.
Same with 2 M10's, no?
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« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2012, 11:51:49 pm » |
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For the last bloody time... Panther = Multirole
How many fucking times do I have to say this. The AT variant of the Panther is called the JagdPanther. Is it really that hard to comprehend? The Germans don't use turreted TD's. |
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nikomas
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« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2012, 11:55:44 pm » |
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How many fucking times do I have to say this. The AT variant of the Panther is called the JagdPanther. Is it really that hard to comprehend? The Germans don't use turreted TD's.
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« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2012, 11:58:25 pm » |
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Since when did quoting mean that you were being disagreed with?
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« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2012, 11:59:30 pm » |
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« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2012, 01:48:58 am » |
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Simply false. We went over this for an hour in the launcher. I'm not repeating myself. You're wrong.
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nikomas
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« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2012, 01:54:14 am » |
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And all I remember you argue was that in vcoh the panthers role was to kill tanks? Pretty shitty argument tbh, if it was something else, remind me.
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