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[aeroblade56]

+1 for mysthalin

[terrapinsrock]

I don't see the point. Storms were fucking broken with double shreks when they cost 300 MU and the munitions pool was lesser, without access to elite armour. I honestly see no reason to continue "testing" something that has been flat out broken for years.

What you are proposing is, instead of having the greyhound nerf go from 30 FU per M8 to 80 FU, doing it in steps of first 35 FU. Then 40. Then 45. Then maybe staying with that for a year. Then going back to 40. Then staying there because nobody can be fucking bothered anymore.

Well, taking out double shrecks would not be really a good option either.......

[Mysthalin]

Yes it would. Fuck the double shreks already. Fuck them long, fuck them hard, fuck them with a spiked dildo if need be, just fucking get rid of the best AT in the world for 10 popcap option already.

[aeroblade56]

why you so awesome mysthalin

[Mysthalin]

Was only born this way, no biggie.

[terrapinsrock]

Yes it would. Fuck the double shreks already. Fuck them long, fuck them hard, fuck them with a spiked dildo if need be, just fucking get rid of the best AT in the world for 10 popcap option already.

Getting rid of the double shrecks will make Stormies completely fucking useless.

Why would anyone get the single shreck? Another Pak would be about the same price and would be more effective.

With Battle Hardened getting taken out, MP44s also become useless because Stormies then become only glorified Assault Grens, when you could just buy regular KCH which have elite armor, med packs, and MP44s come standard.

So, why punish players who take the HUGE munitions risk to run double shrecks and have to properly micro them to be of any use?  It makes no sense at all.

[NightRain]

Getting rid of the double shrecks will make Stormies completely fucking useless.

Why would anyone get the single shreck? Another Pak would be about the same price and would be more effective.

With Battle Hardened getting taken out, MP44s also become useless because Stormies then become only glorified Assault Grens, when you could just buy regular KCH which have elite armor, med packs, and MP44s come standard.

So, why punish players who take the HUGE munitions risk to run double shrecks and have to properly micro them to be of any use?  It makes no sense at all.

You would buy single schreck to this squad the very same reason you'd buy a single schreck to a Grenadier squad. AT. With the exception that with this single schreck you get cloak (Powerful) and + 15 more health per men making it a squad worth of 95 HP per men. That is higher than KCH.

This squad also has access to the best grenade. Bundlenade. Also due to them having Cloak you are guaranteed to get the first shot.

How can a squad with the highest health per men and cloak be 'completely fucking useless' ? MP44s and cloak means you surprise and get into Short range without risking casualities or loosing men when closing in. You always get upper hand with a cloak. Always.

Also in a little edit.

Because with 10 pop you can deal enormous damage with a single volley without much effort but time by crawling closer. Single shooting tank destroyers and Shermans indeed is balanced.

[Mysthalin]

Getting rid of the double shrecks will make Stormies completely fucking useless.

Have you ever even attempted to use stormtroopers with bundle nades and/or STGs? They have other roles than lolzy AT.

Why would anyone get the single shreck? Another Pak would be about the same price and would be more effective.

Why would anyone get an RR squad? Another 57mm is cheaper and is more effective.

Mocking you aside - cloaked stormtroopers with single shreks not only allow you to protect your pak from being circle-strafed, they can do it by complete surprise. Wouldn't it be wonderful to have this unit covering your pak that the enemy can't see until it's too late to react to it? Or you can just get two squads with single shreks and bundle nades, and go do the exact same thing you do now, except you'll just need to take some time and potentially - losses doing it. Rather than just instagibbing and running away. Or paying an actually reasonable amount of popcap to do the instagibbing and running away.

With Battle Hardened getting taken out, MP44s also become useless because Stormies then become only glorified Assault Grens

Assault grenadiers that have more health and can cloak. Yes. Useless is the word I'd use too.

So, why punish players who take the HUGE munitions risk to run double shrecks and have to properly micro them to be of any use?  It makes no sense at all.

A double shrek storm squad is no bigger a munitions investment than an M10 is a fuel investment in terms of percentage values.

[Dnicee]

Since when are stormies with 2 shrecks a problem? I'm stunned by the amount of nerfs the axis gets.

No superheavies is making their job anymore.

panthers getting raped by m18s

stukas never get any love.

nebel is a huge risk since only certin type maps get love which mean fast playing games, that also make it harder for slow units..

flemmenwerfer being as shitty as always.

talking about doing pumas useless again.

How often do you see gren with lmgs? why because they do a better job without them...

How often do you see storms with mp44s? Why, aint worth it.

And now talking about nerfing x2 shreck storms?

jeeze

atm i cant see one allied unit that is bad tbh.

[smurfORnot]

Mocking you aside - cloaked stormtroopers with single shreks not only allow you to protect your pak from being circle-strafed, they can do it by complete surprise. Wouldn't it be wonderful to have this unit covering your pak that the enemy can't see until it's too late to react to it? Or you can just get two squads with single shreks and bundle nades,

So why is no one doing it now? For 60 more mp you get better grens with cloak,who can have better nade. Why is no one using single shreck when it's so good? Just think,instead having 2 squads,and having all eggs in one basket,you could have 4! And yet no one does it 

How can a squad with the highest health per men and cloak be 'completely fucking useless' ?

SO why is no one doing storm spam but gren spam? For 4 storms you get 5 grens,not that much more,if they are truly so much better,why are people not using them more instead of grens?

[Mysthalin]

So why is no one doing it now? For 60 more mp you get better grens with cloak,who can have better nade

Yes they are, stop being retarded.

Why is no one using single shreck when it's so good?

Ok, you have a choice between having a blowjob from a hot girl and having a threesome with two hot girls. Which one will you pick? A blowjob is nice, but a threesome is just better, no? Same thing with double-shrek storms.

SO why is no one doing storm spam but gren spam?

Just because you're not capable of thinking of something as simple and efficient as storm spam doesn't mean nobody else is. For a very recent example - ask Wind and Elitegren about how their stormspam companies worked out. I remember them to be fairly fucking good.

@Dnicee

Since when are stormies with 2 shrecks a problem?

They never weren't a problem.

I'm stunned by the amount of nerfs the axis gets.

Out of all the things you listed only the panther actually got a nerf. I'm pretty sure the walking stuka just got a price decrease. Everything else was either untouched or has actually been buffed. Pull your head out of your axis fanboy ass already.

[Dnicee]

oh yeah?

panthers, kts, tigers got nerfed if i recall correctly.

Well if you buff one sides units, a lot of them... well... what happens to the other side?

did it get a price decrease? oh, well that still makes it good for 8 pop for some shitty "arty" that cant really do anything good execpt when you have 2 of them, but well thats 16 pop and still cant compete with the allied arty.

I'm sure there is alot of balance team members that play on the axis side often.

Please explain to me why I would like to unlock a kt or even buy it ftm.

Or why I would like to have a nebel when all the slow gameplay is taken out beacause you like to run light/fast companys on 3 maps.

Why would a pick a tiger when all it can do is support a line and kill inf?

Why would i pick grens that cant kill shit with lmgs anymore?

Why would I buy flemmenwerfers when they die before they do any damage or sometimes before even making it to the target?

Why would i pick rocket arty when it cant hit more then one shell on a repairing tank?

etcetcetcetc....

I hope you see whats going on...

What I dont understand is why you guys decided to buff so many allied units at the same time and its pretty fucking boring not to see some differerent axis units on the field from time to time.

yeah im a axis fanboy, ive always been.. But that doesnt make my points invalid in any way.

At least i dont hide it to get into the balance team or their heads ftm!

[AmPM]

Leave Elite Armor in for MP44's, remove second schreck as option.

Should about solve the issue.

[NightRain]

The major reason for Storms not being spammed has nothing to do with the unit pricing but with the pool. If you want to spam them you stare at your screen when you notice this: No pool left for anything else, hiphurrah! So making a storm company means you won't have many stormtroopers and not a lot of general infantry afterwards.


Allied Metagame is on LVs because they are effective. You can cap, roll around, repair and shoot. On the forecast try to figure out a way how to put an end to these light recon companies and you are golden. I don't know how to stop them but currently that isn't my problem.

You buy KTs because you want to look awsome and it really isn't that bad of a tank. Just fat and slow which makes using it irritating.

Grenadiers with LMGs perform still the same. The competition of 3 Bars and Double LMGs are what is giving them greyhair and OutDPSing them every engagement. Just because they perform worse than doctrine buffed things doesn't mean they are currently crap, they are the same as they were six months ago.

I don't know but Shab has managed to get some results with flammenwerfers, ranger blobs love them I heard, rangers without zooks that is. Not a frontline charge in kill everything but rather come from side and watch us do something.

[smurfORnot]

I don't know but Shab has managed to get some results with flammenwerfers, ranger blobs love them I heard, rangers without zooks that is. Not a frontline charge in kill everything but rather come from side and watch us do something.

so you are able to hurt something that can't hurt you back? lol,rly brilliant!

[Mysthalin]

panthers, kts, tigers got nerfed if i recall correctly.

Only panthers got a direct nerf. M18 got a massive buff which puts a dent in Ts and KTs, but that's an issue with the M18 - not with imaginary "nerfs" to the axis tanks - and far from something that can justify keeping double-shrek storms in the game.

did it get a price decrease?

Yes it did. Is it still crap? Definitely. Needs massive buffing? Absolutely. At all relevant to stormtroopers? Not in the slightest.

I'm sure there is alot of balance team members that play on the axis side often.

Ask someone on the BT about that. Though still not seeing how that's relevant.

Please explain to me why I would like to unlock a kt or even buy it ftm.

Because it's a unique tank with a very specific role unfulfilled by literally any other tank that currently exists? It works when you use it properly, even if it's not easy to use it. It's an excellent damage sponge that actually shoots back - for a relatively low munitions and manpower investment leaving you to get plenty of other things - like snipers.

Or why I would like to have a nebel when all the slow gameplay is taken out beacause you like to run light/fast companys on 3 maps.

Because not everyone runs light/fast companies? If you know the enemy will be playing fast to counter the campy tactics you use, might be time to change tactics? If your enemy isn't stupid, he'll eventually switch to something you can use nebels against again.

I'd like to mention again none of this had anything to do wtih stormtroopers in the slightest..

Why would a pick a tiger when all it can do is support a line and kill inf?

Because it's bloody fucking good at it? On top of being useful for other things, with the right doctrine abilities?

Why would i pick grens that cant kill shit with lmgs anymore?

There were neither nerfs to the axis LMG, nor buffs to allied infantry in like.. well, forever. Excluding of course the horribly OP ranger LMG. Nothing to do with either stormtroopers, or even the gren LMG, actually.

Why would I buy flemmenwerfers when they die before they do any damage or sometimes before even making it to the target?

Think about how allies feel when they face the exact same situation, except in their case they're losing shermans instead of flammenwerfer halftracks. All because of one ridiculous unit.

Why would i pick rocket arty when it cant hit more then one shell on a repairing tank?

Bullshit. As an avid defensive player, I would fucking know that.

You being an axis fanboy doesn't make your points invalid. The fact your points are invalid is what makes them, and the fanboyism doesn't help. There have been literally two allied buffs of note in the past.. forever - both of which need to be toned down. But none of them have anything to do with stormtroopers.

If you're accusing me of pretending to be impartial to get on the balance team - you should get your facts straight. I've refused several offers from both PQ and EiRRMod to go back on the BT, which I have left around.. 2 years ago now. I have literally 0 wish to return to the BT, and what I've argued is always exactly what i've thought - not "political ploys" to further me in something as pointless as "power" in a mod for a game.

[PonySlaystation]

Leave Elite Armor in for MP44's, remove second schreck as option.

Should about solve the issue.

Yes, but removing something entirely would be kind of a big nerf.

If we were to compare Stormtroopers to Airborne first of all they have different abilites, Fire-up allows the unit to get out of combat without taking damage and Cloak allows the unit to get in to combat without taking damage. The Stormtrooper is also considerably more expensive. But there are two points that are more important than any of these.

First of all the current Airborne doctrine is complete and utter crap, something that has since long left a large a gap in allied AT effectiveness compared to axis. Playing AB is a huge disadvantage because of this fact and Infantry Bazookas are not enough to support an engagement against Heavy Tanks like RRs and Schrecks can. This issue will be fixed when the next version of the Airborne Doctrine is released (soon™).

Second of all Stormtroopers cost less pop than allied elite infantry. Being that Stormtroopers are expensive, supporting them is essential. Or if you want to sneak them behind enemy lines you can because it's not a large pop investment. Increasing the pop to 6 is what I would like to suggest is a good way to properly balance  Stormtroopers.

It is also likely (read already decided) that the Elite Armor will infact be removed for Stormtroopers.

[Smokaz]

Nebel was nerfed because Lionel and Tym qq'ed about dying inside buildings with their vet 3 rangers. Attacking buildings was the only thing it was good at, when you take away that the nebel is mediocre. The only doctrine choice in all of terror and defensive that does anything is the firestorm barrage, and guess what, it completely replaces the normal one.

[smurfORnot]

Infantry Bazookas are not enough to support an engagement against Heavy Tanks like RRs and Schrecks can.

don't you have hellcats/ATG with ap rounds for that?

Just watched shab's game,and his rifles with nades/zooks/smoke nades performed excellent!

[AmPM]

It is also likely (read already decided) that the Elite Armor will infact be removed for Stormtroopers.

Sadly, all this will do is remove MP44 stormies entirely, you will see dual schreks and Elite Armor Gren spam.