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[DarkSoldierX]

When I read actions and reactions were taken in cases like this I would say that USA has a pretty big problem with police brutality that persists in the system itself.

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/cerd/docs/ngos/usa/USHRN15.pdf

Since the videos posted provides such a strong evidence pretty much all involved officers should be fired, be prosecuted and prevented from ever being hired for any kind of similar job. This by all looks of it has never, or very rarely, been the case.

That PDF is biased. Im sure some of the cases are real, but they go in to some really vague descriptions on what happens. I also like that it criticizes the officers that shot a dancing gay dude running around with knives. They fail to state if he approached anyone either. Yeah, they totally knew he was gay and weren't going to shoot him if he was white 

There are also a many other examples which fail to state many very important details.

[Sachaztan]

That PDF is biased. Im sure some of the cases are real, but they go in to some really vague descriptions on what happens. I also like that it criticizes the officers that shot a dancing gay dude running around with knives. They fail to state if he approached anyone either. Yeah, they totally knew he was gay and weren't going to shoot him if he was white  

There are also a many other examples which fail to state many very important details.

You are just nitpicking, by all appearances there's something wrong with the entire system. In every police force around the world there will be instances of police brutality one time or another and without a system in place to root it out, the problem will persist and become aggregated. In many areas in USA either the police themselves or the DA (which is dependent on the police) are supposed to deal with this and it doesn't take a genius to figure out how policing yourself will turn out in the end.

http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=6125

Tied into this problem is the blue code of silence

http://www2.metrotimes.com/editorial/story.asp?id=869

"For his report "Police Code of Silence: Startling Truth Revealed," he surveyed about 2,000 participants in ethics training programs.

"About a thousand officers chose not to participate though the survey was absolutely confidential, which says something about the code," says Trautman

About 530 officers said they had witnessed misconduct by another officer and did not report it .

According to the study, excessive use of force was the most frequent act of misconduct shielded by the code of silence; about half of the 530 officers stated that they witnessed this and did not report it. "The reason excessive use of force frequently prompts the code," says Trautman, "is officers have experienced the same thing that caused another officer to lose their temper; they felt sympathy or empathy." "

[DarkSoldierX]

You are just nitpicking, by all appearances there's something wrong with the entire system. In every police force around the world there will be instances of police brutality one time or another and without a system in place to root it out, the problem will persist and become aggregated. In many areas in USA either the police themselves or the DA (which is dependent on the police) are supposed to deal with this and it doesn't take a genius to figure out how policing yourself will turn out in the end.

I dont believe any story that provides very little explanation, even if it supports my own goals. That can be a sign of twisting the story. I also refuse to bias against something just because I saw a piece of video. There is nearly always something that happened before that video, and after that video. It needs to be pieced all together. That is not me being picky, that should be a universal mindset.

I can show you a video right after cops shot a black guy in the ghetto and all the people come and ridicule the cops. Given your behavior in this thread, im sure you will bias and think he did it out of cold blood because hes a racist trigger happy cop.

Then I can show you the multiple news sources that tell of a shootout involving that guy. And the part were he dropped his gun in a bush after he started running.

[FailHammer]

So much ignorance its hard to know what to even start with. I guess I'll go with the most important first. Shut the fuck up all you pussy eurotrash fucktards, real life isn't a video game. As soon as you say l2p sniper noob cops, shoot him in the leg, i automatically know youre an ignorant twat that has never shot a gun and knows nothing about personal violence. 21 feet. That is the magic distance. A person with an edged weapon can close and dice you up before you can draw and fire. Besides since when are you expecting the cops who's job I shitty an varied to all be super cop robots with perfect situational awareness. This is not reality. In reality instincts take over as soon as the first shot is fired. Most people actually think they only shot a few rounds in a situation like this. It's all training and instinct as soon as the razor thin edge of a situation goes violent.
 I personally hate the cops because they concentrate on bullshit like speeding tickets and doughnuts. But put yourself in their shoes for a minute. And I mean really their shoes, not counter strike with cops and robber skins on. I'll pander to your mush brains and lets try your l2p solutions. Non lethal here we go. New hypothetical scenario: You are called to a scene where some crazy guy is running around with a knife. He pulls it. Now you have to make some quick decisions. You draw your gun and realize its only a knife. Dont want to be a alive pussy. Better to risk it. This guys life is obviously way more important than yours. Aim for the leg. Fuck he's running, his legs are moving fast, bang, hit him in the calf. Fuck yeah I am leEuro cop legend. Wait oh fuck hes still runni- you just got stabbed in the lung heart lung lung stomach leg ass arm lung. Game over man. Too bad this is real life and you can't respawn. Way to risk your life for honestly nothing. Hope your family is gonna be ok. At least your wife will get dicked by someone with some conviction in his life and wood in his pants. Hopefully he'll raise your little boy to be a real man and and keep your daughter off the stripper pole. But hey it was worth it right. The crackhead is now a top surgeon saving people's lives everyday. Oh wait. He's not. He got out on parole 13 years later then robbed 2 corner stores and ODd on some bad heroin. At least you didn't use "excessive force."
The US is terrible though. People risk their lives everyday to come here so they can be shot by the rogue cop craze that's sweeping the nation. I wish someone would rescue me and transport me to a place with much better cops. Maybe eastern Europe or Russia. Oooh maybe turkey or even the communist paradise of china. Hell I heard there was no crime and no cop shootings in north korea in its history actually. Probably my best option.

yours in love
Fail

[Sachaztan]

I dont believe any story that provides very little explanation, even if it supports my own goals. That can be a sign of twisting the story. I also refuse to bias against something just because I saw a piece of video. There is nearly always something that happened before that video, and after that video. It needs to be pieced all together. That is not me being picky, that should be a universal mindset.

I can show you a video right after cops shot a black guy in the ghetto and all the people come and ridicule the cops. Given your behavior in this thread, im sure you will bias and think he did it out of cold blood because hes a racist trigger happy cop.

Then I can show you the multiple news sources that tell of a shootout involving that guy. And the part were he dropped his gun in a bush after he started running.

You're one to talk about bias 

[Baine]

Stfu, i play alot of counterstrike, i know what cops go through, especially when bomb is planted.

[DarkSoldierX]

You're one to talk about bias 

Do I still have bias? Yes, just not nearly as much bias as you have when you dare post that kind of PDF as proof.

[Sachaztan]

Do I still have bias? Yes, just not nearly as much bias as you have when you dare post that kind of PDF as proof.

You really don't have any idea of what you are talking about.

[Spartan_Marine88]

Whats rarely taken into account is the people who deserve police brutality. I have a few friends in the police force, and one of them got slammed with it when he was pulling a husband off of his wife and had to put him into submission. The wife tried to sue his ass, when the guy would have killed her, say what you want, and quote what ever sources you want, but im tired of bleeding hearts making things look worse then it is.

[nikomas]

Here is the thing thou, the police and people in higher power are and should be regarded with higher standards, while it might understandable that someone would get angry over a spit in the face, you should expect an officer to react with less emotion to it.

It's not the human way to act for sure, I know that... However, if they are taking a job that's preserving the law by force if necessary, a higher degree of control and restraint should be expected. Basically, if an officer can help it, he should never use more force than necessary even if the suspect deserves no less than death, emotional actions are to volatile.

[DarkSoldierX]

You really don't have any idea of what you are talking about.

Care to back up your statements with some evidence or are you going to be like that PDF and not tell me anything?  

Whats rarely taken into account is the people who deserve police brutality. I have a few friends in the police force, and one of them got slammed with it when he was pulling a husband off of his wife and had to put him into submission. The wife tried to sue his ass, when the guy would have killed her, say what you want, and quote what ever sources you want, but im tired of bleeding hearts making things look worse then it is.

This too.

Oh yeah thats right we can rehabilitate these guys -


My country is guilty of this dumb shit too though.

[brn4meplz]

Here is the thing thou, the police and people in higher power are and should be regarded with higher standards, while it might understandable that someone would get angry over a spit in the face, you should expect an officer to react with less emotion to it.

Except that a spit in the face can carry any number of infectious things, Including hepatitis and HIV/AIDS. Thaty shit doesn;t go away and can result in death.

Spitting is actually a form of assault under most criminal codes.

Sure it doesn't warrant beating a guy up once the moment is past but you're alot to do something to him. Like a muzzle.

[PonySlaystation]

Oh yeah thats right we can rehabilitate these guys -
]http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Profiles/B/Anders-Behring-Breivik-20617893-1-402.jpg

Unlikely. But Norway has enough money to try instead of just electrocuting them.

[Demon767]

Everyone has bias.

[Sachaztan]

Care to back up your statements with some evidence or are you going to be like that PDF and not tell me anything?  

Oh you mean like you back anything up?

[DarkSoldierX]

Oh you mean like you back anything up?

My evidence was pointing out that you brought up a vague PDF.

Your evidence is non-existant. You just made a statement. Learn to understand the difference between making a statement and making a statement and supporting it with evidence.

Everyone has bias.

Well said but some have a lot more than others.

[nikomas]

Except that a spit in the face can carry any number of infectious things, Including hepatitis and HIV/AIDS. Thaty shit doesn;t go away and can result in death.

Spitting is actually a form of assault under most criminal codes.

Sure it doesn't warrant beating a guy up once the moment is past but you're alot to do something to him. Like a muzzle.

Oh, I'm not saying it's not assault, and I certainly understand how unfair I'm sounding... But simply put, if you are going to have the law, let it deal with it and take your anger out on a punching bag. Would I personally be so good? I'm not sure, but then again, I'm not applying for a position of greater power than the average citizen and well, with power comes responsibility I guess?

Basically, I could personally see why you'd wanna beat HIV guy spitting you in the face, but... there is where the unfair "Held to higher standards" comes in. Then again, I don't really think it's unfair given what the officers are allowed to do compared to normal citizens. I see it as a give and take thing. You give up certain liberties for the right to enforce the law.

tldr... I don't want no action hero as a Cop, I want the boring veteran.

[Sachaztan]

My evidence was pointing out that you brought up a vague PDF.

Your evidence is non-existant. You just made a statement. Learn to understand the difference between making a statement and making a statement and supporting it with evidence.

First of all my evidence for what? I don't think you even understand what it is I'm trying to "prove". I'll let the other users be the judge of whether or not I am being to vague for them to understand. It's just looks like you're spouting random arguments into the air.

Second, the "vague" pdf is a UN commission report about the issue with a not so vague list of signatories and sources. A minute or two of your time is all that is needed to get the gist of what it is about. And then you throw "That PDF is biased." out in the air just like that as if that's supposed to mean anything.

Third, you are just cherrypicking. You take up a single example that MIGHT be dubious and then just brush the rest of as if they aren't supposed to mean anything (or that this means that the entire report is irrelevant).

Fourth, you are more than vague about what YOU are trying to say. Are you even trying to argument for anything? My closest guess would be something along the line of "there's instances that appears to be police abuse, but really isn't". I don't think there's anyone on the forum that would disagree with that so it's really preaching to the choir. If there actually is anything you are trying to support then please say what because I don't think anyone really knows except you.

[DarkSoldierX]

First of all my evidence for what? I don't think you even understand what it is I'm trying to "prove". I'll let the other users be the judge of whether or not I am being to vague for them to understand. It's just looks like you're spouting random arguments into the air.

This fucking thread started out as a random argument out of thin air then. Your point?

Second, the "vague" pdf is a UN commission report about the issue with a not so vague list of signatories and sources. A minute or two of your time is all that is needed to get the gist of what it is about. And then you throw "That PDF is biased." out in the air just like that as if that's supposed to mean anything.

Ok lol like the people who made it cant be biased just because its made for the UN to review. 80% of the signatories are unfortunatly, most likely biased against cops in the first place. Irrelevant. Now, some of the cases are legit, I never denied that. But this is hardly the big system problem that you make it out to be. And again, if my statement is apparently "out of this air" and therefore is invalid, then the OP is invalid because it was posted out of thin air too.

Third, you are just cherrypicking. You take up a single example that MIGHT be dubious and then just brush the rest of as if they aren't supposed to mean anything (or that this means that the entire report is irrelevant).

I am not saying it all doesn't mean anything. But there is enough of it that is trashy and easily tampered with that its safe to say the makers of the report were biased.
And my example isnt a "MIGHT" the source is pretty damn vague. Know who they asked for information? His lover.

Fourth, you are more than vague about what YOU are trying to say. Are you even trying to argument for anything? My closest guess would be something along the line of "there's instances that appears to be police abuse, but really isn't". I don't think there's anyone on the forum that would disagree with that so it's really preaching to the choir. If there actually is anything you are trying to support then please say what because I don't think anyone really knows except you.

For the specific comment you are replying to, its obviously my argument that you are biased. You replyed in reality it is me being biased. Pretty damn obvious what I am talking about there. I wasn't talking in code or anything, I actually did say the word "bias" my argument, multiple times. Not my fault your smart enough to realize that.

[PonySlaystation]

Darksoldier, you're like those people who deny the holocaust.