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[tank130]

That's kinda how if feel about Eir..........lul

[AmPM]

I would be down for a scheduled game.

[brn4meplz]

We do play it. I play it but to be honest I trash everyone here and I play it for the testing rather then the challenge.

Get on my level.

Additionally, people require a large time commitment to play it and most people can't make that commitment.

[nikomas]

Getting on burns level = Learn to rush

Burnplz, 4x has other victory types than conquest but since you don't understand that it is really unfair that you can tech trade isn't it? It's almost like that feature is there to give diplomatic players a chance to win without having to rush military.

But yaknow, diplomacy makes for unfair games apparently 

[AmPM]

He also only plays with ability to colonize all from the start, and enhanced short term FIDS.

Basically, just boring to play with.

[brn4meplz]

He also only plays with ability to colonize all from the start, and enhanced short term FIDS.

Basically, just boring to play with.

Just because you can't deal with it doesn't mean it's boring. I play multiple styles and I win most of them.

Rush tactics work on you scrubs because you think the UNiverse is a happy go lucky place, and you'll roll the dice with Pirates every game.

If the pirates get you you'll bitch it was a bad start, if the Pirates get me, you'll bitch that my heroes got bonus Exp. What it comes down to is a failing to perfrom on behalf of you.

If i want to be aggressive and play a faction with both a penalty and a buff to early colonies, and have that followed up by only a hefty penalty to colonies then your ass better make sure it can live past turn 100. Additionally, when I do play other race types I still must be cheating or something right?

Don't try and criticize me for playing to my strengths and culling the constantly weak.

Burnplz, 4x has other victory types than conquest but since you don't understand that it is really unfair that you can tech trade isn't it? It's almost like that feature is there to give diplomatic players a chance to win without having to rush military.

But yaknow, diplomacy makes for unfair games apparently 

Thats what I'm talking about though. Why bother with the other victory types(which I'd hit anyway with 4-5x the FIDS) when you can't sustain yourself militarily? Your asking me to handicap myself because you can't use Military power and balance an empire. I've played with Tech trading, and yeah it's annoying but I still win, it just makes the process slower.

[XIIcorps]

So thus games pretty much s.o.a.s.e but turn based and more rok sizzors paparr then spam your factions heavy frigate.

Intriguing

[nikomas]

I hope you're not talking to me specifically, as the only time we actually fought you never got past my first planet . Still, it's fine if you like to play that way but just don't expect everyone to want to play with you if that's the only way you're going to play. Minmaxers got a bad rep in pretty much any game from people who just want to have fun, hell, it's like goliath spam in EiRR.

Sure, you can do it, it's not against the rules but godamn will most people hate you for it.


I also like how you're insulting people for trying to go for a non militaristic approach in a game that's designed for that.

[Sachaztan]

I don't think it's as simple as that...I mean, if you are powergaming and neglect your defense you should expect that to have consequences.

[brn4meplz]

Yeah see each gets it. If you roll the dice that you don't need military and someone exploits that it isn't their fault for being better. Yes you can win through other means then military. But I'm not going to restrict myself because you don't build military units. If you don't want to die to military aggression then build things to deter that aggression.

You want to play a 4x game and discount 3 of the 4 x's

[nikomas]

Don't act stupid burn, you know as well as I do that you cant put up a half asses defence to deter "Early aggression" if the aggressor has min maxed his faction for combat efficiency, you're either going to have to 100% commit to the combat tree or you're screwed.

Exploiting someone neglecting their military and committing your race bonuses towards early rushing are two different things. You're not simply going to be able to "build some defences" given the way combat buffs work in ES (aka, absolutely fucking nuts).

[brn4meplz]

yes you can. Thats part of creating a faction. don't get caught with your pants down.

if you get greedy and you try something you can't hope toi pull off thats your own damn fault. You either need to be able to defend yourself, or bring something to the table thats worth more then me killing you.

People claim its boring to play against expansion gameplay. but what AmPm means is it's boring to lose. To which my response is play better.

[AmPM]

yes you can. Thats part of creating a faction. don't get caught with your pants down.

if you get greedy and you try something you can't hope toi pull off thats your own damn fault. You either need to be able to defend yourself, or bring something to the table thats worth more then me killing you.

People claim its boring to play against expansion gameplay. but what AmPm means is it's boring to lose. To which my response is play better.

See, that's the difference. Anyone can make a template that expands ultra fast. What you aren't understanding is the FUN aspect, the diplomacy, trade, development, etc. That is why we play a 4X. If it was just to kill stuff it would be a MOBA, RTS, or FPS.

You play in a manner you enjoy, that doesn't mean other people want to play that way.

[brn4meplz]

If your playing a game that has a strong military component you had better build military. What your not understanding is that if you could survive or deter military aggression, games with me would reach those other areas. Lionel doesn't seem to have as bad a time against me.

if you want to play a 4x game without the military components then you shouldn't play a 4x game. Go play settlers of catan or something without the military aspect

[Smokaz]

It sounds like burn is kicking your asses

[Sachaztan]

It's a bit difficult to make out exactly what is going on here, cuz I've barely played this game. Might be the balance is shoddy and the only way to win against equally skilled players is by eXtermination. Might be you guys are just scrubs. Might be that burn is lame.

[nikomas]

The game is balanced in such a way that numbers mean virtually nohing compared to combat bonuses and tech. A fleet can only hold a relatively small number of ships and fights are isolated affairs so even if you hold a production advantage a high tech fleet can just mop up fleet after fleet of inferior ships as you cannot make a consolidated attack.

You can also stack up combat attack and defense bonuses well over 100% (double) and some racial bonuses can let you ignore colonization tech entirely, letting you focus all efforts on said military tech. So yeah, shoddy balance.

[XIIcorps]

So its essentially like hey there's all these options for you to do in game, but unless you focus on military your going to have a bad time.

[brn4meplz]

All the bonuses in game can stack to crazy levels. There are faction bonuses for colonizing everything but you take a massive penalty to both approval and FIDS in game.

It does t matter what 4x game it is. Im usually winning

[Smokaz]

soundz like someone getting pwned