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Author Topic: M26E4 'Super' Pershing for Royal Scots  (Read 6521 times)
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rolcsika0128 Offline
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« on: May 31, 2014, 07:42:44 am »
Hulldown is not working for it, neither does it receive buffs ( range , rof) from cromwell command tank. Also, not sure if ablative works for it. Please check it out. Thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2014, 08:19:16 am »
Command tanks do not buff american units, nor do british officers to a full extent, this is intentional.
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The officer is considerably better than a riflemen squad at carrying weapons. Officers have good accuracy so they will hit most targets.
rolcsika0128 Offline
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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2014, 08:44:38 am »
And what about the rest?

Regarding the CCT, whats the point in benefiting some cross faction units from some doc unlocks / buffs, while others do not receive the same treatment?
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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2014, 08:48:57 am »
Quote from: rolcsika0128 on May 31, 2014, 08:44:38 am
And what about the rest?
Hulldown, I cannot say for sure, I think it was casuing some glitches with the model and was removed, even if the animation doesn't work the buff should still apply if the tank is getting locked in place.[/quote]

Quote from: rolcsika0128 on May 31, 2014, 08:44:38 am
Regarding the CCT, whats the point in benefiting some cross faction units from some doc unlocks / buffs, while others do not receive the same treatment?
Because a command tank super pershing would be utterly silly, or command tank sluggers for that matter. Or hell, luitenant marines.

It simply can't be balanced without toning down said officers significantly.
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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2014, 08:49:21 am »
Quote from: nikomas on May 31, 2014, 08:19:16 am
Command tanks do not buff american units, nor do british officers to a full extent, this is intentional.

We need to streamline this. I go into a game expecting a officer to affect my reward unit.. and it does. I go into a game expecting CCT to buff my super pershing.. or my M3 lee (more to your liking? Tongue)..
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« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2014, 08:51:32 am »
Without the intention of creating more work for you nikomas. You are doing a great job and I am looking forward to the next patch

This is also Mysthalin's job. Part of balance is design, part of design is balance even if a "design dev" overrides the former..

And the system should be intuitive (command tank, buffs tanks)
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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2014, 09:15:00 am »
I'm not saying that it makes a lot of sense, but the crossfaction reward units created a LOT of issues that are either very annoying or very hard to resolve easilly. I am also not making any sort of choice here, mearly reiterating the previous stance on the position  Wink
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« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2014, 09:17:35 am »
There is simply no hulldown icon for SP Sad Will have to play one more game to confirm though. Does it get the +200 hp?
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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2014, 09:28:46 am »
sp SUX AS BRIT
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« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2014, 09:30:19 am »
need moar cct compatibility
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« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2014, 09:41:27 am »
Since all reward units now either belong to "Axis" or "Allies" they are now pretty much no more factional at all and it makes no sense to me to keep seperating them as "WM" or "PE" unit because they used to be categorized like that a long time ago.
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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2014, 10:03:06 am »
Quote from: nikomas on May 31, 2014, 09:15:00 am
........... but the crossfaction reward units created a LOT of issues that are either very annoying or very hard to resolve easilly. .................

I am going to jump in and say I told you so (not pointed directly at Nikomas) I argued on the dev team that making them cross factional was going to open up a can of worms and create a balance nightmare. I also said they should not be released until those bugs were fixed.

But as usual, in good old fashioned EiR:R style, we released broken shit with the adage "we can fix it later" only for it to be ignored or "too much work" to fix.

My grandfather used to say with great sarcasm: "There's never time to do it right, but you always find time to do it over"
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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2014, 11:01:23 am »
If we want to reduce potential can of worms, we downsize instead of expanding. Removing shared abilities and buffs across factions like officer buffing teammates.

But when the same player owns leadership unit + unit, I'm having trouble seeing the principle behind it not working other than "it's OP".

Shab, I have PM'ed you about whats taking place in this thread.. Argue what Tank says about the topic, not who he is or your past conflict.
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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2014, 11:32:10 am »
It's op,  units designed for the US were not made to take officer buffs into account.
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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2014, 10:32:49 pm »
What if when units cross faction it's actually a toned down by maybe 10-15% of the original unit, representing less experience with that vehicle.
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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2014, 10:34:26 pm »
Quote from: Tymathee on May 31, 2014, 10:32:49 pm
What if when units cross faction it's actually a toned down by maybe 10-15% of the original unit, representing less experience with that vehicle.
No, why the hell would you do that? Unless you wanna rebalance prices around the unit being shittier which is just unnecessary work...

YOU DON'T EVEN PLAY ANYMORE, STOP CONTRIBUTING SHITTY IDEAS
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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2014, 01:53:03 am »
Quote from: I2ay on May 31, 2014, 10:34:26 pm
No, why the hell would you do that? Unless you wanna rebalance prices around the unit being shittier which is just unnecessary work...

YOU DON'T EVEN PLAY ANYMORE, STOP CONTRIBUTING SHITTY IDEAS
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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2014, 07:43:37 am »
Quote from: I2ay on May 31, 2014, 10:34:26 pm
No, why the hell would you do that? Unless you wanna rebalance prices around the unit being shittier which is just unnecessary work...

YOU DON'T EVEN PLAY ANYMORE, STOP CONTRIBUTING SHITTY IDEAS
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