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Author Topic: New-Newdocs: Who, What, Where, When, Why, and "Volsky why are the Allies OP?!"  (Read 2298 times)
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TheVolskinator Offline
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« on: November 10, 2018, 03:47:59 pm »

Under the current doctrine system in EiR, doctrines are limited to the template of infantry-mobility-armor: one doctrine type of each, per faction, doing exactly what they say on the tin. The difficulties of balancing concentrated power like that along with the fact that infantry doctrines are always going to be the most powerful doctrine in EiR makes this design philosophy outdated. The idea is further compounded by the biggest problem of them all: they're, for the most part, not very fun to play.

To that end, I've devised a totally new set of doctrines, ditching the infantry-mobility-armor template as well as the old ideals of 2009-2012-era doctrines. Take any preconceptions of what you think the doctrines should do (i.e. Scorched Earth being 100% about lighting things on fire and camping in one spot) and forget them.

Using my knowledge of the military formations present in Normandy and their equipment, tactics, and exploits as inspiration for ideas, a new set of thematic doctrines has been created. Each doctrine aims to have a little bit of everything within them (i.e. at least one tank or infantry buff) without becoming samey. Some go faster, some blow things up with artillery, and some drop gliders on Vet5 Hummels in the backfield. The doctrines aren't constructed with specific builds in mind, rather, they're created with an overall thematic direction about what the doctrine should do, with a multitude of tools and buffs to fulfill that purpose made available to you, the user. Each doctrine has been created with a unique flavor and I've done my very best to balance fun with, well, balance. OP is not being balanced with OP, period. 2009-era doctrine power is to remain a thing of the past, in an effort to retain newer players who would have a terrible time of learning about utterly OP buffs and unlocks that can erase units almost without the opportunity for counterplay. In order to maintain secrecy, suspense, and to fend off long and spiteful theorycrafting threads regarding exact bonuses, only vague descriptions of each doctrine will be provided. Work is to commence ASAP and will hopefully be completed sometime between New Year's day and ~spring of 2019.

Expect constant wipes and resets as there will be a wipe after the inclusion of each new doctrine. Doctrines will be input one at a time, starting with CW, and then moving on to PE, US, and finally WM.

Here's to an understanding community, those devs and players that came before us, Relic and THQ for an outstanding RTS, and the struggles of millions as they grappled for control of France in the summer of 1944.

Ambience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPbSCENrY4g

Regimental Combat Team (RCT; ex-Infantry): Combined arms-driven doctrine that is truly jack-of-all-trades. Combine a variety of units within your company or opt to simply overwhelm your opponents with wave upon wave of infantry. Either way, you'll have the full might of the American industrial complex behind you, providing extra ability uses, weapons, and above all else, trained fighting men in great quantities. A balanced mix of indirect, infantry, and vehicular unlocks mesh well with upper unlocks that offer many options but fail to apply successive buffs to any one unit type.

Airborne Task Force (ABT; ex-Airborne): Infantry-focused doctrine that takes the best Allied infantry and makes them even better. Upper unlocks lack direction and instead buff your Airborne infantry and available light support options in a variety of ways, from improved officers and scouting to enhanced handheld and light AT options. No matter how you build your company, air support will never be far away--all offmaps rain fire from the skies, such as the unique Fighter Sweep ability that reduces the effect of enemy aerial offmaps by way of debuffing them and shooting them down.

Armored Combat Command (ACC; ex-Armor): Tank-centric doctrine that combines heavily-buffed medium armor with enhanced crew weapons and tough new infantry--Armored Riflemen. Upper unlocks cover everything from infantry to Pershings and are (almost) unilaterally offensive buffs designed to crush Axis opposition with pure, unadulterated firepower. Offmap support appears in the form of P-47 bombing runs and defensive sectory artillery fired from LCT(R) assault craft floating off the Normandy coast, among other things. Additional repairs keep your vehicles in the fight, and improved capping options for your LVs complete the doctrine with some handy non-combat bonuses.

Infantry Brigade (BDE; ex-Royal Canadian Artillery): Fully mechanized doctrine that assaults Axis units with audacity and guile. Everything is on tracks, from mounted infantry to hard-hitting AT vehicles like the Lend-Lease 3-inch SP M10. Overwhelming flamethrower usage flushes any entrenched Axis units out of cover where they can be slain by all manner of vehicles sporting improved MG statistics, while new vehicles convey command buffs while on the go. Offmap support is lacking, with only a very light Spitfire Strafing Run offering any direct damage potential. Instead, offmaps provide utility support with speed buffs and quick smoke placement.

Commando Troop (CDO; ex-Commandos): Elite infantry and untrained civilians combine to swamp enemy units under a blanket of espionage and hidden explosives. French Partisans make their debut to infiltrate behind Axis lines, sewing confusion and destruction in their wake, while support vehicles like the 57-mm-armed T48 "ATGMC" halftrack and Centaur IV smash targets too tough to attack with your infantry. Unsurpassed scouting and recon potential blends with powerful new small arms now purchasable by your infantry units, such as the VGO machine gun. Concentrated aerial offmap support appears in the form of Lend-Lease Mitchell bombers and the Mosquito "Tsetse" fighter-bomber.

Royal Tank Regiment (RTR; ex-Royal Scots Engineers): Slow, unrelenting juggernaut of a doctrine that grinds your opposition to dust. Advancing at an agonizing pace, Churchill tanks, 17-pounders, and infantry push the front lines forward covered by heavy artillery. No fancy unlocks here--the best your infantry will get are hand grenades; all finesse is ignored in favor of overwhelming force. On and off map artillery combine to reduce the landscape to nothing more than barren moonscape over which your tanks and infantry can crawl. Latent infantry buffs offer imrovements to Tommies as well as the 2-inch SBML mortar, while the 17-pounder exists without buffs due to its inherent power.

Ost-Bataillon (OST; ex-Defensive): Largely resembling the current doctrine, albeit with several rebalances and the removal of some key, OP buffs. Slow moving infantry and support weapons hold the line against the Allied hordes, backed by scarce StuGs and elite officers. Crew weapons are the name of the game, and they'll serve you well especially when backed by large numbers of recrew infantry. Offmaps are the same as they have been for a long time, with 28 cm barrages, FTFL, and V1 rockets staying comfortably right where they are.

Tigergruppe (TGR; ex-Blitzkrieg): "Close with and destroy the enemy" taken to the extreme, this doctrine is all about overwheming the enemy with a steady stream of infantry and vehicles. Keep up unrelenting pressure with numerous sprint buffs, call-in timer buffs, and other bonuses. Storms return, with cloak now available from the get go, their Shrecks traded for Pz.B.39 AT rifles. Tanks, infantry, Nebels, and even the sniper find a little bit of love in this doctrine, covered from the air by the frenzied buzzing of multiple Stuka attacks, from dive bombing to 3,7 cm AT attack runs.

Panzer Zug (PZZ; ex-Terror): Tanks. Tanks tanks tanks, tanks, tanks. And halftracks, lots of those too. Combine a wide array of Panzers with a multitude of variations of the sdKfz 251 halftrack. Infantry and crew weapon buffs litter the doctrine, alongside bonuses for the P4CT that improve the rec. XP count of your units. The return of Henschel Design heralds new armor types for several vehicles, helping to keep them in the fight for an extended perior of time. High MP prices mean that your elite forces will be few in number, so care must be taken not to throw away units on a whim. Offmaps include covering fire from overhead Bf 109s, the return of Steelwall, and Firestorm.

Panzer Infanterie (PIN; ex-Scorched Earth): Close with the enemy and smash him with a multitude of weapons, from the M.P.717(r) SMG to the new StG 44 in two variations. There are scattered mobility buffs, allowing your to push your PGrens through or around enemy lines. If you can't flank the enemy, try shooting him in the face with a really big gun--the Grille and Hummel SPGs both provide 15 cm solutions to all of your problems. The Panzer III finds its new home here, backed by the mobile sdKfz 250/9, an IHT mounting a PE AC turret. Debuffs for enemy units abound, encouraging aggressive play and fighting at mid to close range. Offmaps provide limited strafing support.

Airlanding Division (ALD; ex-Luftwaffe): Stop the Allies cold with the most elite infantry available to the Axis: Fallschirmjagere backed by a multitude of new FSJ-derivative units, from Pioniere to crew weapons. Luftwaffe Infanterie provide a meatshield option and bring the option of the superheavy 8,8 cm Pak 43/41. Everything is on legs, vehicle support being almost non-existent. On the plus side, everything cloaks. E V E R Y T H I N G. From infantry to Panthers, there are options to conceal your units from the enemy, allowing you to lure opposing units into well-laid ambushes. Offmap support includes Butterfly Bombs, Henshel attack runs, and a new medical Ju-52 that can land to provide healing bonuses.

Kampfgruppe (KGR; ex-Tank Hunters): Delete enemy armor with contemptuous ease. A plethora of AT options from buffed AT grenades, improved Shrecks, and APCR keep Allied tanks at bay, while Group Zeal bonuses and enhanced rifle and grenade fire give pause to opposing infantry. Vehicles like the Pz II "Luchs" and Geschutzwagens offer unique gameplay options for coming to grips with enemy units and scouting. Vehicles never before seen in EiR on loan from the Ostfront combine forces with the Jagdpanther and Hetzer to halt enemy attacks before initiating assaults of their own. Support includes X-7 rockets, the mobility-killing Bogged Down offmap, and attack runs by triple Ju-88s that deliver the greatest concentration of damage possible by any one attack in the game.
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If not, then I wipe, then someone gets something they shouldn't, then it gets abused, then the shit hits the fan and then I ban shab.

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Shabtajus Offline
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The very best player of one of the four factions.

« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2018, 04:13:15 pm »

Steven, what about reward units? Are they coming back?  Fir example TA and SP?

I feel like if Smokaz and Shab met up it would be a 50/50 tossup to see which one of them robbed the other first.
Tries to convince people he's a good guy,says things like this. Scumbag Shab.
Bear Offline
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2018, 05:32:43 pm »

I think it's good that you set new impulses!

I have a question about that.
Why so much text? So nobody really reads it?
Shrecks traded for Pz.B.39 AT rifles, really?
What about Upgun Calliop?
What about the German grenade pistol while you're at it?
Waves from allied inf sound for me noob like 2012!
Because the changes in Defense doctrines sounds demotivating, I ask:
Please give me a chance to work with the  Eastern Battalion like the Germans was working..

Why change everything and when is the game finally finished?

I hope this version is the breakthrough!!!
It will go wrong! Neck and leg break!
Traditional german wish that someone is lucky: D

A last inspiration of the Ost-Front:

Brothers stand tall!

Erst die Heimat, dann die Ferne.
Erst die Erde, dann die Sterne.
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2018, 03:03:05 am »

Removed off topic posts.
Batgirl Offline
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2018, 07:33:05 am »

Steven, what about reward units? Are they coming back?  Fir example TA and SP?


All these doctrines are a great plan (sounds like an epic effort from you is needed though) and Im not in opposition, however the regular player base is about 20 people at the moment with 5 newbs, 5 good ones and 10 in betweens.
Due to this its pretty difficult to get any really exiting and balanced games anymore whatever the actual game balance is or how cool the doctrines are.

I feel with shab that we would have more fun if we had reward-units back - this would give back the "hunt shabs SP" fun even if the actual setting is a stack.

Also all possible efforts should be directed towards steam release as its a slight hope to get some new players since otherwise wont be too long of eirr left.
New players  and me receive some SP and TA cards just to upset shab.
Shabtajus Offline
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The very best player of one of the four factions.

« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2018, 10:57:04 am »

Yea indeed.

Even if reward units tend to be OP but itís hell of the fun get it hunted. You donít see these days players intentionally retreat all units in order bring 12 up-gun pumas just to bum rush and kill SP. Even losing SP itís fun too because it gives you this awsome game of lolz.

As for not giving me SP and TA - fuck you Batgirl lol
TheArea Offline
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2018, 01:17:35 pm »

Have to agree with Bat on this, the new ideas are great and all, but the biggest need are players and Steam release is our best shot at that.

I just wonder if all that energy on new docs and all that coding work you have scheduled wouldn't be better spent on getting Steam working.

In any case, thanks for all the work.
Bear Offline
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2018, 02:33:31 am »

Have to agree with Bat on this, the new ideas are great and all, but the biggest need are players and Steam release is our best shot at that.

I just wonder if all that energy on new docs and all that coding work you have scheduled wouldn't be better spent on getting Steam working.

In any case, thanks for all the work.

In order to keep more new players something would have to change the team balance.

I remember when there were still a few dozen players in the launcher, they also complained that the teams were not balanced.

This will never be achieved by balancing out units.

Weaker players need some kind of bonus which will make their units a bit stronger. Maybe based on the K / D values and win / lose quote from the Intelligence capture of the launcher.

Or, the best player in the worse team would have to get a bigger reward than the best player in the better team. So it is worthwhile for a good player to play with the worse team.

It happens so often no game because someone thinks his team would be too weak.

And apart from the fact that it is very bad for beginners that you can not delete a company in the launcher just once and create new. There is no game for a beginner because the others are afraid to lose their veterans or a place in the rankings.

That must change first of all!
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