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[salan]

Lolto, 1 v 1  ? I'll nerf ya!

[Unkn0wn]

Pfft, I'll still kick your ass Salan.

[Tkaudi]

Hey scrap it must bust your balls to not be able to say your on the balance team eh?

[AmPM]

Dude, its all good. We all know you have to have a lobotomy to be on the balance team.

[Draygon]

Im pretty sure there are some "behind the scene" balance team members.

[Tkaudi]

Im pretty sure there are some "behind the scene" balance team members.

its easy to tell which they are, just watch post counts

sometimes im to smart for my own good....

[Draygon]

Well...it helps when you actually see them in the Dev channel on Vent too

[Thtb-Ally]

I dont think that asskissing gets you in the dev team ...

[Tkaudi]

Well...it helps when you actually see them in the Dev channel on Vent too

haha, thats not really being secretive

[Draygon]

haha true, but not everyone has seen them in the channel with their own eyes

[Tkaudi]

anyways, units need to die more often, stop being fucking pussies and wanting to emilate WoW..

[Thtb-Ally]

Okay.
My opinion (as nice as possible:)

Just because someone says YES to evrything and lacks a own opinion he/she shoud not be favoured and included in your development dessicsion´s. Especially if that person likes to react a bit more aggressiv emotinal than many other members. Also it shows us that you dont care about the community as whole, only about "your" guy´s.

I woud have no propleme if you woud take any of the older / smarter members to assist you instead of ,... well what you took.

*No offence she/he is a nice guy, but just like me very quickly pissed off & determinde to chance thing´s.

**edit: Damm you - you just re-reailed the thread

[Lolto]

One thing is for sure, something has to be done in order to put emphasis on how you have to carefully utilize your units unless you want them quickly slaughtered.  Having a get out of jail card gives people the sense that their units won't die with careful management of their 'T' key and early retreating in order to maintain their veterency.

It doesn't seem like this sort of function is something that a mod such as EIR would want to keep, at-least in its current form, in order to have persistency there needs to be a sense of it, not a utilization of a game feature that is very poor in its implementation as the only thing relating to persistency.  Even within vanilla CoH, there is no sense of urgency or strategic thought that goes into managing units, you simply retreat and add more.   

I think some form of a tweak to the retreat function needs to be applied in order for people to see it as not a way to maintain veteran units or otherwise, but to further the intense and unique game-play that is EIR.  Strategy and persistency is what this mod is all about... right?  As an example; blobbing without any real risk at hand is silly and it needs to be carefully studied and examined in order to produce a game where losing units is commonplace. 

[Tkaudi]

well said lolto, well said.. a get away free card makes as much sense in this mod as Allied war machine did.. resurrect from the dead, zomg get up run through the mg fire and never die button!  whats the difference??

[DasNoob]

One thing is for sure, something has to be done in order to put emphasis on how you have to carefully utilize your units unless you want them quickly slaughtered.  Having a get out of jail card gives people the sense that their units won't die with careful management of their 'T' key and early retreating in order to maintain their veterency.

It doesn't seem like this sort of function is something that a mod such as EIR would want to keep, at-least in its current form, in order to have persistency there needs to be a sense of it, not a utilization of a game feature that is very poor in its implementation as the only thing relating to persistency.  Even within vanilla CoH, there is no sense of urgency or strategic thought that goes into managing units, you simply retreat and add more.   

I think some form of a tweak to the retreat function needs to be applied in order for people to see it as not a way to maintain veteran units or otherwise, but to further the intense and unique game-play that is EIR.  Strategy and persistency is what this mod is all about... right?  As an example; blobbing without any real risk at hand is silly and it needs to be carefully studied and examined in order to produce a game where losing units is commonplace. 

YEP!  I could not agree more to this.  Blobing must have stronger negative impacts.

[Unkn0wn]

*cough* availability.

Sure they can tell us how 2.0 will have a system in place, that's all good and well but that's not helping us in the current game.
With that mindset, you might as well stop making balance changes because 2.0 will have a different balance approach anyway.

I really don't think it would require much work to re-instate availability.
Instead of having it work per tick, give everyone a set number of units, once that set number reaches 0, you have to wait a day or so for it to be refilled. This way everyone is affected by availability equally.

[fldash]

You guys are idiots.  Availability does not fix anything.  Good players retain their units and constantly have a pool to pick from.  Bad players aren't good at protecting their units and can never field anything.  Get a clue.

[AxisSlowzo]

*clap clap clap* Thats why long ago i decided to stop posting stuff like this and only give my opinion if asked.  fldash knows his stuff, just let it be and bow down to him for making this mod FOR FREE!

[Lolto]

You guys are idiots.  Availability does not fix anything.  Good players retain their units and constantly have a pool to pick from.  Bad players aren't good at protecting their units and can never field anything.  Get a clue.

So everyone is an idiot now?

I don't think the main point of this thread was about availability, it was however another possibility that might fix a problem, you can't rule it out entirely as it does have the power to limit players(availability).  What about the issue of retreat? Are we idiots for questioning such a function that doesn't appeal to the unique sense of game-play this mod presents?

It's true that 'good players' can retain their units, that was a point I thought I got across in my other post, it doesn't take a skilled player in this mod to maintain veteran units, a caveman could do it.

Oh noes my units are in trouble! retreat! safe!

Careless players or 'bad players' do have a tendency to not retain veteran troops for obvious reasons, they're careless.  So back to the topic at hand, why not tweak retreat?  It would encourage more strategic game-play and provide a true feeling of persistency, to the careless players a change won't matter in any way, but to the players who give a fucking shit, it will matter.

[fldash]

No, you aren't all idiots.  It was a general message to everyone who keeps saying 'availability'.  Availability was a broken system from the start which is why it was removed.  We stated why it didn't work multiple times.  I'm sick of reading threads about it and posted.  Sorry for being human.