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[|-|Cozmo|-|]

Seriously my w/l is 7-11 and my last 7 or so games have been losses luckily i have that 50% less exp loss thingy other wise i would have no vet either...

But WTF am i doing wrong!!! I have 6 rangers 5 AT guns and 2 stickies, still i get overrun by axis Armour... I have about 30 riflemen still i get over run by axis infantry...

Battle: 8729



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[Steinmarder]

cover cover cover cover cover

and

AGRESSION

[Eleven]

The key to fending off axis infantry is suppression. Rifles absolutely rape in CQC, which becomes so much easier on that flashing yellow pile of grens.

[AmPM]

How much and what anti infantry weaponry do you have?

[Mattias1234]

ok here goes:

Direct AI: 2 hmg's, 2 rangers with smg's (6 rangers in total), 3 riflemen with bars (25 in total) and 1 sniper.

Indirect but still effective: 2 mortars, 3 upgunned Shermans, and 1 M10.
 

(cozmo)

[salan]

axis armor needs to be KILLED not disabled and repaired ... allies lose if axis get to repair their tanks ;(

[TheYaxisOfEvil]

Lol thats the 2nd person who suggested allies play aggresively.  Good luck with that vs effective Axis MGS + camo'd pak guns.   Play allies slowly and carefully, use scouts and spotters.   Attack where they are weak.

[|-|Cozmo|-|]

axis armor needs to be KILLED not disabled and repaired ... allies lose if axis get to repair their tanks ;(

i know that... it just hard to kill them as it takes so many goddamn AT shot to kill a tank and rangers can hit for shit unless them are within kissing distance of the tank ass... <--- any competent play will have been backing the tank up or have grens waiting to slaughter my rangers...

P.S, why do i always manage to pick the team that is doing the worst, last war axis, this war allies!! .

[jackmccrack]

Wow you have a ton of AT. It must not be the numbers, but rather the way you use them.

[salan]

axis armor needs to be KILLED not disabled and repaired ... allies lose if axis get to repair their tanks ;(

i know that... it just hard to kill them as it takes so many goddamn AT shot to kill a tank and rangers can hit for shit unless them are within kissing distance of the tank ass... <--- any competent play will have been backing the tank up or have grens waiting to slaughter my rangers...

P.S, why do i always manage to pick the team that is doing the worst, last war axis, this war allies!! .

hah thats why i have 5 accounts at this point, 50ish games played per side

[Eleven]

I figured you were Sniperr, Cozmo, so I watched that player most of the time, but generally both players made similar mistakes. When the town was cleared out with the croc you brought in mortars, which seems silly since the town was almost abandoned. I also noticed that both of you threw quite a bit of rangers away. I don't even attempt to fight rifles with my double shrek squads. I think mainly your problem was throwing stuff away, being too aggressive, and bringing the wrong things out at the wrong time. I noticed at the end a sherman and three ranger squads had quite a bit of momentum going, and it is a good combo, until the rangers (I don't think they had SMGs) just ran into a blob of support teams and volks. You also lost quite a bit of armor by suiciding it to try to kill P4s, which is unnecessary because most of the time you had an AT gun at your lines, which will do fine against a P4 if set up well. Another minor thing was that at least once you tried to put support in the town while it was still occupied, and that you left your support ironically unsupported where it was easy slaughtered.

[GamerAndyAlly]

Additionally,
in response to sniperrs repeated "how can their bazookas be so good and ours so bad" exclamations,
cost for 2 bazookas:  80mun
cost for 2 schreks: 220mun

Go figure one is better.  Additionally, rangers are head and shoulders better than grens, if just for their heroic armor class and fireup


As far as what gameplay mistakes you made, yes - leaving the p4 alive to be repaired was a mistake, but not one I would have forseen - I think most players would look at that unit and say "might as well pull it off and not have it sucking pop for 10 minutes"   For whatever reason, APEX kept it on - that meant that very early game he was down 13 (I think?) pop just for the tank in the backfield, not including the 2pop for the repair and the other 2 for the pios

I would encourage you to scout a little more, and when your sniper was scouting the bike in front of the church, instead of trying to mortar it, you should have brought up your AT gun and sniped it from range, then barraged the church with the mortars - If you didnt want to snipe the bike, then you could have brought the at gun up to the road wall for cover, moved the mortars north (since you saw it was wired/trapped and used the mortars hitting the church to bait the bike in.   Also, you were lacking in infantry after you lost your initial call-in.

Beyond that, you really have to coordinate with your teammate - there were several times when sniperr was pushing very hard on the town but you wern't really doing anything on your side - in a 2v2 the shift of forces is very important and significant, if a big assault is going on one side a good player will shift to help his teammate - use this to your advantage, stage an assault on one flank, wait until the player guarding the other flank shifts his forces, then hit him hard where he's weak.

The advantage to this strat is also that if you field a tank for example, hit the city with it, and they have no AT... that player has two choices.   They can pull on their own at, or their teammate can shift HIS at from guarding a flank not under attack to one that needs it - if you then make him need it on his own side, chances are the city player has NOT called on his own AT and they are in a very bad situation now

[|-|Cozmo|-|]

i was ghostwolf, just to let you know Eleven.

Thing is i dislike rushing in since MG42 will pin you instantly and you have no idea whether they have Mg's in every building or if the place is deserted... i didn't want to move the Sherman up since they had one of my AT guns and probably more schrecks and a pak.

We didn't want to leave the PIV alive (well i didn't, i was shouting at at sniperr to chase it with his rangers but he didn't.). i was thinking about moving up the AT gun but i didn't want to be mortared, also my stupid AT gun fired 3 "blank's" at the bike when it did move up  .

[Steinmarder]

As far as what gameplay mistakes you made, yes - leaving the p4 alive to be repaired was a mistake, but not one I would have forseen - I think most players would look at that unit and say "might as well pull it off and not have it sucking pop for 10 minutes"  

Thats more true for allied players, as axis you have a better overview of the enemy AT around, just because you can actually see the AT on the field, the axis pak guns you can only hear when they move. (exceptions like scouting runs excluded)

And what i meant with my "agression" earlier is: You have to be swift and decisive. Check out the situation with a jeep (allways have one around, its more important for allies than for axis, as you stated yourself the damn 42's just suppress so quickly. Walk into a 30 cal, well, walk back) and hit hard. As allied you need to play out the mobility card. Doesnt mean that an allied army is more mobile than an axis one, its just more effective than the other on the move. The weapons have shorter range but do more damage, the mortar fires faster after setting up on closer range, the croc is just awesome to support a push on a fortified position.

For the pak guns you need to develop a sense or how you would call it, you can hear them move quite far and its not hard to guess where the best place for a pak would be if you would play axis in any situation that just occured. I know what a pain they can be, i run only 3 paks in my axis company as AT, no shrecks and it works well (even against saint but that was a 3v3 and another story), but I run tank heavy. Regarding your company layout, you should beat me tho.

Hm guess i have to change some stuff in my axis company, cause im just thinking, i would beat myself with your company.... YES you are doing something wrong 

Maybe its just your way of controlling the troops.. you do know that you can hit tab to select the single units in a group, so you can quickly move the different units of the same "kind" into good positions?! Well i guess so, maybe its just that a game against apex isnt that representive if you had minehold as your teammate 

[Eleven]

Which one of those players was Apex?

[Dukka]

Which one of those players was Apex?

HV.

e: read two posts down oh god im an idiot

[Eleven]

Wow...I had no clue. This doesn't make sense then
 saint 83 (armor), Rzor (armor), and donnieDark (infantry)

                                      vs

Jazliard (terror), Apex (terror) and HighVelocity (blitz)

[salan]

HV is not Apex

[DBSights]

They both were  !

[Ucross]

best way to find out is to play with someone good and have them critique you.