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[They Call Me SpitFire]

Well as you know rangers cost a ton of mp and munitions..(I'm axis)
I have stormtroopers who have camo and Mp44 for 170mu, don't you think a noncamo unit and already costing Mu should have a cheaper Thompson upgrade. 180mu thompson can't even be compared to 170mu Mp44 or the 90mu(I think) Mp40. Just stating a thought, but aren't they hell a expensive.

[Dbozbrown]

Dont you only get 2 MP44s with their upgrades as uposed to the 4 you get with the Rangers?  Also you must keep in mind that Thomsons are a little bit superior than MP44s.

[ThetaCommander]

The reason why those weapons are so expensive is because they're not meant to spammed. The Mp44s could use a slight MU reduction though. Maybe 150 or 145 MU for a pair.

[jackmccrack2]

MP40s are 70 muni.

[UnLimiTeD]

2 MP40s are, in my oppinion, far better than 1x thompson.
Only they come on weaker soldiers. 
But one KCH squad will mostly pwn thompson rangers, excluding extremely short range ( close combat).
Were in turn an LMG42 will be superior.

[They Call Me SpitFire]

Oh I thought you only get two Thompsons from the upgrade not 4...okay.

[BradAnderson]

still tho mp44s>thomsons even when on stormies which>rangers

[Warbirds]

Until they get suppressed.  And Stormies have the longest suppression time out of every unit.

[Migi]

The reason why those weapons are so expensive is because they're not meant to spammed. The Mp44s could use a slight MU reduction though. Maybe 150 or 145 MU for a pair.

Now im really confused, the only pure anti-infantry , infantry born wepoan allies have is supposed to exspensive to spam, bu the axis weps that are already running rampant on the feild need price reductions. I litterally started lauaghing whne i read this.

So lets recap:
Axis= Cheap infatry + cheaper assault weps

Allies= Exspensive infantry + Most exspensive assault wep in the game

I really dont like this lol.

[demoner]

Mp44s are not spammed, oh no.

People use LMG42s and thats it. Stormies are almost a complete waste in this game. The near best use of stormies is spamming them with one MP44 each (which is 2.) And not even on every unit, cause stormies get elite Kar98ks.

I think you do mean MP40s or LMG42s, cause I barely, if EVER, see MP44s.

[Haroquen]

Mp44s are not spammed, oh no.

What games have YOU been playing? It seems I cant go two steps without running into volks with MP44s.

[demoner]

Dear GOD

Is this a doctrine ability ? I will instantly remake my account for volks (FIVE PEOPLE) with MP44s

[Migi]

I was refferring more to mp 40s, while not as effective, thye are certainly spammed, lmgs while not spammed so much are certainly effective in both cost and dmg dealt, MP44s, are used quite a bit more than SMGs due to the huge cost 1 squad with smgs puts on an allied player in munitions.

Not tryng to biased in this stament, just going off the numbers I have seen on the feild in game.

[Mori]

Mp44s are not spammed, oh no.

What games have YOU been playing? It seems I cant go two steps without running into volks with MP44s.

Volks have MP40s, not MP44s, that is a huge difference.

Without even talking about how much damage they compared to each other, compare this one statistic:
MP40; Moving Accuracy Multiplier 0.2
MP44; Moving Accuracy Multiplier 0.75
Most weapons in this games (tanks, riflemen and volks default rifles, etc) have a 0.5 multipler.
It means MP40 Volks miss a huge 80% of their shots if they are not completely standing still.

MP44 aka StG44; Sturmgewehr 44. It's not simply a submachine gun, it's an assault rifle.

[demoner]

MP40s have a 0.2 moving modifier, MP44s have a 0.8 moving modifier.

Even with the additional squad members, the MP40s do a lot less damage than the MP44s.

Now that thats out of the way... the reason I see MP40s being so good is because theres so much cover that you can run up to the riflemen nearly in complete cover the whole way, maybe calliope less?

Additionally, blitz gets 18% less incomming accuracy and 15% surpression (on the attack.) so those volks can survive the journey into the enemy.

I will say that volks can run up to SMG rangers, fire for 10 seconds (maybe kill 1 guy) then get completely blown away.

MP44s only deal ~11% more damage than ranger SMGs

MP40s deal 75.6 DPS with all 5 squad members at close range.
MP44s deal 82 DPS with 4 squad members at close range.

MP40s deal 15.12 DPS with 5 squad members while moving at close range.
MP44s deal 65.6 DPS with 5 squad members while moving at close range.

KITE MP40s. ITS NOT WORTH FIGHTING BACK. At the very least focus fire the MP40s down, they lose 1 member quickly, and 2 members almost as fast.

BTW, MP40s at medium range do ~3 DPS while moving. Thats as much as a single Kar98k at short range. Just run, damn.

[UnLimiTeD]

For 180 you get 4 thompsons, which are truely superior to ONE MP44 on stormies.
And Rangers ARE Elite Infantry, with neat armor, good speed, high health, and fireup.
Point is one MP44 on stormies costs more than a complete KCH squad, with higher resitances and 3 MP44s which they put to better use.
And sure, I still thing Thompsons should be cheaper.
Be it by only buying 2 for 90, but buy it 2 times if you want, or by reducing price to, lets say, 160.
That be fair with stacked or cohesion.

Btw, the Stg 44 was simply an upgrade to the MP43/1 , basically an MP40 with riflecaliber.
The allies chose to call it MP44 because they took the name 'Assault Rifle' as propagande, even if it actually was the first assault rifle, and base to weapons like the m16.
btw, HMG > all close range weapons

[demoner]

BTW, I was wrong.

STG44s do 12.5% more damage than thompsons.

Its a MASSIVE difference in terms of... erm.... 2 more DPS ! 2/3 of a Kar98k !

[Lt_Apollo]

Mp44s are not spammed, oh no.

People use LMG42s and thats it. Stormies are almost a complete waste in this game. The near best use of stormies is spamming them with one MP44 each (which is 2.) And not even on every unit, cause stormies get elite Kar98ks.

I think you do mean MP40s or LMG42s, cause I barely, if EVER, see MP44s.

yes mp44 are not spammed But they are so so far from useless, they are in my opinion the best infantry assault wep in the game, but there so expensive.
and if you spam storms then your a complete noob, don't even bother playing blitz go back to you volk blobs cus apparently you have no micro ONCE SO EVER.

and of course you never see mp44 there always on cloaked storms who kill your units before you even realise it. there not spammed so you will never see them in bulk.

and about LMG that is not all we use, open your eyes and you will see o skreks mp44s,and mp40. if that's all you use then your gonna get pwnd by almost any play who bring out a tank.

that's it for now meh....

[demoner]

the way to play sturmtruppen is to micro them very efficiently and gain ground very fast... aka blitzkrieg... put all your eggs in one basket and go for a 10 minute 2/3 map control (on the attack.)

Regardeless, regardeless, MP44s on stormtroopers cost too much for what they do.