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[Schultz]

Moved from the other thread to here...makes more sense to be here.


I have to rant here a bit, and I am sorry if it offends FL, but here I go (because Im sick and tired of seeing great people/players leave because there is no progress).  FL said that the reason he stopped working on the mod, or took a step back from the mod was because his wife was getting on him about constantly working on it and not spending any time (or not enough time) with her.  That I can understand, I mean, wife comes first, no doubt.  HOWEVER what has got to me lately is whenever I  log into Xfire I see FL on there, and you know what....hes playing Conan.  Now I can also understand the want to play something else, but shit, you started something great here FL...why toss it into the trash when you could probably finish it to the point where you dont have to do anything but minor adjustments here and there and let others to the balancing in probably a week with the amount of time your putting into Conan.

/rant off

Actually +1.
But i dont want to turn this to turned to be a rant thread, but i cant help but feel guilty about giving FL my beta AoC account.
We cant be really demanding about how the man's wanna pass his free time and if he wants to quit on Eir.
But its such a huge shame community is falling apart, when all we want for people to stay in the mod is brits and pe.
I just wished yoy could get them in, with almost all work on the factions being done (as you said).

Why let a community like this and a project so great perish ?

For me AoC isnt as half good as Eir is. Its another wow-clone with supposed pvp elements and gore. Its not special.
Eir is..

[GamerAndy]

Honestly threads like this arn't going to help.

Summer of 2005 I started a website called GamerAndy.com with some other folks, we did tons of events had a good sized community (averaged 70-80,000 unique IPs monthly) had a podcast that ran 2 hours weekly on general gaming.   Once you create something like that it becomes a focus, you feel like you have this overarching responsibility that trumps everything else because "People are counting on you".    I burned out on that site and community and show so many times I can't even tell you, and when I went back it was despite the community as much as because of them.

The drama I see playing out with EiR is a very similar story, it is *hard* to stay committed to what is basically a second job, except you don't get paid - The love of a community is great thing, but I have found it generally isn't enough.    Over the last 3 years I've seen so many podcasts and websites that were very successful simply implode under the increased pressure put on their creators.

 The price of success is overwhelming expectations.

I mothballed GamerAndy.com last January and I cancelled the show (GamerAndy Live!) again in january of this year - I probably get 10-15 messages over email, MSN etc. a week asking when it's going to start back up again and what I'm doing, etc from some of our hardcores.

What have I been doing?   Playing Europe in Ruins, avoiding going back because I know that all I'll do by returning is get everybody excited, do a couple more shows, then burn out again because it's really as simple as this:   I prefer playing to creating - This is a formula that is true for me as I suspect it is true for FL- Playing Europe in Ruins is easier,  less stressful, less time consuming, and more fun than it is creating podcasts that have meaningful commentary and all the backend required to make them available to the public.  Just as its a much more enjoyable thing for FL- to play Conan than sit around coding.

This is a very poorly written post, but I wanted to say something because while I wish 2.0 would hit, I completely understand and sympathize what FL is going through.

If 2.0 does happen, it'll be with people who havn't hit that point yet where you realize you're spending so much time doing your project, you don't play games anymore.

BTW, same thing just happened over at TalesofHeroes.

[GamerAndy]

For those who don't want to read my rambling post, let me just respond to schultzz in brief:

Actually +1.
But i dont want to turn this to turned to be a rant thread, but i cant help but feel guilty about giving FL my beta AoC account.
We cant be really demanding about how the man's wanna pass his free time and if he wants to quit on Eir.
But its such a huge shame community is falling apart, when all we want for people to stay in the mod is brits and pe.
I just wished yoy could get them in, with almost all work on the factions being done (as you said).

Why let a community like this and a project so great perish ?

For me AoC isnt as half good as Eir is. Its another wow-clone with supposed pvp elements and gore. Its not special.
Eir is..

Its not about the games, it's about his role in the games - in EiR he's "God", in AoC he's just another player - And after you spend any amount of time as "God" it feels damn good to be just like everybody else.

[salan]

i made a reply about this in akranadas's post... anyways andy there is a huge difference between finishing a patch for a game and running a weekly podcast, not much , but there is.


they could patch it up to a point and leave it running, like they are now, unlike your product that NEEDS to be updated every week.

[GamerAndy]

i made a reply about this in akranadas's post... anyways andy there is a huge difference between finishing a patch for a game and running a weekly podcast, not much , but there is.


they could patch it up to a point and leave it running, like they are now, unlike your product that NEEDS to be updated every week.

I dunno Salan,
My community was always very happy no matter what happened... When you're talking about balancing a game or implementing new features, that kind of thing doesnt make everyone happy, it makes one side happy because they feel like they got the better deal, requires rebalancing, and starts a vicious cycle.

shrug

[salan]

oh they are completely different yes, thats what i meant with that.

how would that community do ANYTHING if it wasn't updated by you on a regular basis though?  this product atleast has a use if it is left to its own accord.

If I understand what you were doing correctly.  (to bad its gone, i just went to check it out haha)

[Draygon]

If 2.0 is never coming out then they should at least give some of us the ability to make changes to the mod, patching, changing things here and there, etc...

I still hope that 2.0 is going to come out, hell even if it is just implementing PE and Brits AS IS and then let someone else do the patching and balancing that isnt currently on the dev team.  Really its just not getting any better just letting wars go on and on, because the axis are just winning everytime because of the unbalanced state its in now.

[Unkn0wn]

Rofl, www.gamerandy.com

[Kolath]

GamerAndy, very good post and good job comparing it to your personal experience.

I definitely agree about it being more fun to play than to create.  It's the same thing with me and mapping.  I had a lot of fun making Crossroads and Ardenne Valley and amazingly Crossroads was really well received.  But try as I might to finish my urban map, I just lost the will because I'd rather be playing than mapping.

[GamerAndy]

Rofl, www.gamerandy.com

I had so much fun with that project worked with more than 25 writers, some of them very talented, 5 weekly columns on all kinds of topics, 2 spinoff shows... We did Live e3 coverage and broadcasts every night from the last real E3...

I still get review copies from a couple publishers, but I'm done with the journalist part of my life lol

The site *still* gets more than 30,000 pageviews per month after being idle for over a year

[GamerAndy]

GamerAndy, very good post and good job comparing it to your personal experience.

I definitely agree about it being more fun to play than to create.  It's the same thing with me and mapping.  I had a lot of fun making Crossroads and Ardenne Valley and amazingly Crossroads was really well received.  But try as I might to finish my urban map, I just lost the will because I'd rather be playing than mapping.

The biggest problem is, as you get older (I started GA at 19) you have less time to devote to things like this - At this point in my life (I'm 23 now) I have a full-time job, a live-in girlfriend and a couple health problems to boot What time I have that isn't taken up by those things I *Need* to put into a competitive social gaming outlet or I'll go crazy - EIR works well for me for that.

as an aside, I've been casually teaching myself worldbuilder because i'll be damned if we don't need some new 4v4 maps besides Abbeville Winter (Ardenne is great, but it crashes all the time when I play it - wierd bugs we dont get on any other maps).   This shit takes serious patience and vision and I'm not sure how people do it

[Kolath]

Well if you ever need WB tips, drop on over to the mapping forum and I'll be happy to share what I know.

[Wraith547]

worldbuilder because i'll be damned if we don't need some new 4v4 maps besides Abbeville Winter (Ardenne is great, but it crashes all the time when I play it - wierd bugs we dont get on any other maps).   This shit takes serious patience and vision and I'm not sure how people do it

If either you get good at WB or Kolath has the time, Sword Beach is done, basically balanced, fully detailed, I just broke it trying to convert it to a 4v4.

If anyone has any desire to get it working you would have another 4v4. I am happy to edit the loading screen to give whoever credit for doing it.

[Unkn0wn]

Rofl, www.gamerandy.com

I had so much fun with that project worked with more than 25 writers, some of them very talented, 5 weekly columns on all kinds of topics, 2 spinoff shows... We did Live e3 coverage and broadcasts every night from the last real E3...

I still get review copies from a couple publishers, but I'm done with the journalist part of my life lol

The site *still* gets more than 30,000 pageviews per month after being idle for over a year

Yea, just check your website. It's a pretty impressive project, well done. Didn't know you were good with websites & all that.

I found the name amusing though, seems a little self-centered, no?
(But then again, it is your website & your project)

Either way, impressive work!

[roflmao]

I hate it when people that get something for free fueled by huge amounts of dedication and of dev's working their ass off, start complaining (or demanding shit). FL- can play Age of Conan all he likes, he is not obligated to stop having fun and do escapist entertainment because he got tired of working on EiR.
I know your post was more of a post trying to encourage FL-, but sill.

(That mainly goes for Dragyons post).

Schultz, you can feel completely at rest and at peace for giving your beta account to FL-, think of it as a way of showing gratitude for the hundreds of hours he has already put into the mod, not the hours that are in the distant future.

EiR is work, most people think its as fun as playing the actual game. I got a news flash for you, it is not. SCAR coding is tiring, tedious, boring, stressful, and as FL- said he was dedicating so much time to it that he started having problems with his marriage.

Think on that for a little bit, his marriage. Imagine how much insane amounts of hours you have to put into something that it completely absorbs your life that you start having serious real life problems. I don't think playing 1 hour of Age of Conan can be equated with 7 hours of working on EiR. If Fl-'s wife was fed up with EiR, then FL- needs to drop the project immediately without giving it a nano-second of thought.

So to anyone who is mad or angry (I'm not accusing anyone of this) :
Either do some work yourself or stfu.


None of you have openly bitched in a angry-tone as my own post above. I salute you for that XD. But still, let FL- be.

[jackmccrack2]

man, quit patronizing the motherfucker

[HaroquenT]

I hate it when people that get something for free fueled by huge amounts of dedication and of dev's working their ass off, start complaining (or demanding shit). FL- can play Age of Conan all he likes, he is not obligated to stop having fun and do escapist entertainment because he got tired of working on EiR.
I know your post was more of a post trying to encourage FL-, but sill.

Now, I know I should be returning to the entirety of the post, by code of being a forumite, but I feel this is the root of it.

Now, of course, he has no obligation to us. At all. However, when you 'pretend' to have an obligation, and let a community twist in the wind to the point that you abruptly kick it in the balls, run off, and hand over production to someone that may or may not actually be developing it (this is a whole other can of worms), then people can (in my eyes) feel free to RAGE.

Yes, We shouldn't bitch and whine and cry and demand MOAR CODEZ from Phil, (hence why he got on his motor bike and drove away), but when you're staring down a long dark tunnel with no light in the end that resembles the barrel of a rifle,  you start wondering when the other end (the developers) are going to do something about it.

Yes, he has a life and a marraige and such, but god DAMN, we have no sign of help on the horizion. We're Custer at the foot of a hill surrounded by indians. We want something to tell us that we aren't going to be facing a bleak future.

In short, we're all whiny bitchy little babies demanding our bottle and expecting anything else is like going down to the ghetto and demanding everyone below the minimum wage line pack it up and move to bel-air.

[Migi]

hmmm, mabey we should just leave him alone, i sure as shit wouldnt return to a bunch of people who were hounding me still when i said im not even avalible to hound

[TodlichPanther]

i would, im not lazy!!!!!

id release atleast 1 NEW patch every fucking day, that deleated peoples vet, and broke the game in new and exciting ways, then suspend everyone from the forum so they couldnt bitch so much.

probaly only take 5min for somone as skilled as fl-.

[Migi]

i would, im not lazy!!!!!

id release atleast 1 NEW patch every fucking day, that deleated peoples vet, and broke the game in new and exciting ways, then suspend everyone from the forum so they couldnt bitch so much.

probaly only take 5min for somone as skilled as fl-.

LMAO