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[Novox]

A small funny story i heard from a friend in germany, who was on the bus listening in to a conversation.

Before i continue, i know very little about Germany's immigration laws and the problems they are currently having with the "turkish" people, but i do know they exist, since they populate the country more then the germans themselves do. Also, dont get me wrong, from what i know, the turkish people actually rebuilt Germany if im not wrong after WW2, since no other country felt like helping.

A grandmother gets on the bus and asks a teenage turk to make room for her since its difficult for her to stand with shopping bags. The turk answers rudly and basicly says fuck you, and that you should get used to standing up, because theres more of us then there is of you, and we basicly control the econnomy of this country, while you germans do nothing. After hearing that, the grandmother says, "Yeah... well... you know the jews used to run this country too, look what happened to them."

I think this shows enough. There is no way in hell a world government could exist, if people cant even get along. The only way that would exist is by creating equality all over the world between people, which is communism, and communism failed misserably, since practice is not even close to the theory. The world will never be perfect.

Currently, Americans are in ressession, and their econnomie is falling. They understand that they cannot compete with others. What do they do? They raise gas prices, creating a "false image" of "not enough crude oil". Why? Since its more expensive for other countries who buy from USA, and the majority of the world does buy from them, since they practically own a lot of it. By lowering the worlds economical stage, they basicly rise themselves. A few countries are benefiting from this, which are Canada, and Russia (those of which i know). Currently, a house in moscow is around 40% more expensive then a house in downtown toronto. Business's are blooming.  I know this from personal experience. Russia is rising quick and is basicly going to become the "second america", which is just about time. The European Union is not going to last long, since countries like Germany, Spain and France are paying loads of money to incorporate countries like Poland, and Romania into the union. For what? Its been 3 years and they still havn't converted the currency. If germany backs down, and so does france, the european union will colapse, and the whole world will be different.

I personally choose not to believe that people dont like other people. People love people. They simply dont give 1 shit about their culture, and thats where things go sour.

[DBSights2]

from what i know, the turkish people actually rebuilt Germany if im not wrong after WW2, since no other country felt like helping.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

They raise gas prices,

Higher gas prices would prolong a recession not quicken it; it is obvious that America does not benefit from this in any way and is very unlikely to fix gas prices.

Russia is rising quick and is basicly going to become the "second america", which is just about time.

NOT AGAIN!!

[Novox]

They raise gas prices,

Higher gas prices would prolong a recession not quicken it; it is obvious that America does not benefit from this in any way and is very unlikely to fix gas prices.

Its not a fact of making it shorter or longer, its a fact of putting them to the same world stage or even higher then they were before. By lowering others, they can actually increase themselves since they own the majority of crude oil. When in reality, they arn't moving econnomcally, they are forcing others to fall... at least trying to.

Russia is rising quick and is basicly going to become the "second america", which is just about time.

NOT AGAIN!!

FOR THE MOTHERLAND!

[Rocksitter]

No, Israel was a very good idea.  After the holocaust, the free world really had no choice but to give the Jews a homeland.  Talk about preventing it from ever happening again only goes so far.

 Sorry but Palestine was given to the jews in November 1917 after Heine Viksman who was a friend of the David Loyd George government in England made a deal that he and others would get the US involved in the war  because without them the British French Russian side was going to lose.
 Remember at this time the 2nd Russian revolution was taking place and the Russian army was beaten by the Germans so Germany could bring all its forces to the Western Front.

 Rocksitter

[Bodybag2224-Armor]

The USA does not control the gas prices crude oil prices OPEC does, I don't understand what you are saying Novox. And tbh, we are falling from where Bill Clinton had built us up economically, so it isn't like we are on the brink of a depression, we just have to ride things out until Bush is out of office someone with an IQ higher then room temp.

[Novox]

The USA does not control the gas prices crude oil prices OPEC does, I don't understand what you are saying Novox. And tbh, we are falling from where Bill Clinton had built us up economically, so it isn't like we are on the brink of a depression, we just have to ride things out until Bush is out of office someone with an IQ higher then room temp.

your saying the government has no relationship at all with the oil companies? are you saying they are complete strangers? Its all related. Obviously the government itself doesn't control the prices, but the government told them they can sell it for higher, whereas before, prices like that would NEVER be bought. Currently, i believe America itself is sitting on the cheapest gas prices in the world. If you look at the prices per L. Americans are paying around 99c. Whereas in Canada, in europe, russia and other places, they are all paying above $1.30 per L. Hell. In Montreal where im vacationing currently, gas prices are around $1.50.

But yeah, you guys are falling from where Bill Clinton has built you up, but because the world itself also built up, you guys are actually on a lower stage of the world then you used to be, therefore to compensate for it, you would try to bring others down to keep america up. This is basicly a theory, and it works out perfectly. Since god knows, the oil companies HAVE relations in the government.

[Bodybag2224-Armor]

I don't see how we are bringing others down. And the cheapest gas in the world is basically in south America where you can get gas for mere pennies. I don't know what the difference is between how much a liter and a gallon are but in USD the national average is around 4.05. I know that Europe is paying more however you figure out the conversions.

I'm just curious on how we are bringing others down with us? And to be honest I do not think we have much to say with the oil prices, our president basically begged the Saudis to lower the prices, but here is the ultimate reason behind the high prices.

Big Business. The Gas companies (not the USA) will buy the oil at price x. Then before they get the shipment, there is speculation that the prices will go up so the company that just "bought" the oil, sell it and drive up the prices to make more money. It is not the United States Government that is causing the prices to be so high, it is the corporations that buy the oil driving up the prices due to speculating.

[Novox]

I don't see how we are bringing others down. And the cheapest gas in the world is basically in south America where you can get gas for mere pennies. I don't know what the difference is between how much a liter and a gallon are but in USD the national average is around 4.05. I know that Europe is paying more however you figure out the conversions.

I'm just curious on how we are bringing others down with us? And to be honest I do not think we have much to say with the oil prices, our president basically begged the Saudis to lower the prices, but here is the ultimate reason behind the high prices.

Big Business. The Gas companies (not the USA) will buy the oil at price x. Then before they get the shipment, there is speculation that the prices will go up so the company that just "bought" the oil, sell it and drive up the prices to make more money. It is not the United States Government that is causing the prices to be so high, it is the corporations that buy the oil driving up the prices due to speculating.

Yeah i calculated it a while ago, and 4.05 p gallon is around $1 per L in rough. And in montreal the prices are $1.50 per L... Funny to say that our dollar is just about 1 for 1 with the american.

Gas prices consist of 70% taxes. So i understand that. Then following it, companies consist of profits, obviously not 30% since its not NET profits. But consider this, 70% of the money goes to the government, with higher gas prices, people are dishing out more money to the government. How do you raise gas prices? Say crude oil production is in a new low... a low we've never seen, which i fail to believe is true. Due to low productions, logically they raise the cost since the product is in "small" quantities, and is a necessity to our society.  But they can't only raise prices for Americans, that would be stupid. Lets raise the prices all over the world. Countries will have to dish out more money in buying fuel, slowing down the econnomie.

And not to mention, when i say "gas prices increase so people have to dish out money"... im not saying at the pump... We transport every single good on vehicles which consume fuel. This means every single product that is transported raises in prices too. But in turn, salaries don't. This is basicly how the econnomie slows down. People can't buy more products, since the necessities to live cost so much.

Since i fail to believe The Oil Companies are strangers with The American Government (mostly due to the invasion for oil and even the Bush's own oil), i believe the prices are increased for a reason. Not for low production rates.

[Crono]

Guys, Iraq has the cheapest gas in the world, they pay per gallon around $0.25.  They go crazy and get in lines that go for miles if gas goes over $0.30 a gallon.  I saw that happen a couple of times, laughed my ass off when men would start fist fighting to get gas. 

[Novox]

Guys, Iraq has the cheapest gas in the world, they pay per gallon around $0.25.  They go crazy and get in lines that go for miles if gas goes over $0.30 a gallon.  I saw that happen a couple of times, laughed my ass off when men would start fist fighting to get gas. 

might be funny but dont forget, their paycheck is like $50 a month..

[Crono]

Actually you would be surprised, with the amount of US funds going into the country, lots of Iraqi's are making quite a few USD from soldiers and civilians.  You can get yourself a brand new LG HD Plasma tv for around $300 USD.  thats nuts, unfortuneatly we here in the US arent on the same power system as the rest of the world, damn you all with 220! 

[Bodybag2224-Armor]

If we had invaded Iraq for oil we wouldn't be paying the amount we are now. It is just a bunch of big business bullshit, trying to get as much money as they can so they can afford their 8th house......Hopefully this November will start a change.

[Novox]

If we had invaded Iraq for oil we wouldn't be paying the amount we are now. It is just a bunch of big business bullshit, trying to get as much money as they can so they can afford their 8th house......Hopefully this November will start a change.

I wouldn't exactly say "we" since its still business. In other words, the government invaded it. Since when does the government really... truly... care about the people. Its been a long time since. America really doenst control the world, but its the corporations established there that influence it so greatly.

[MH3Allies2]

yes but the fact of the matter still stands...the problem with democracy is that everyone is treated equal...dont get me wrong but the problem is we have no competition so people with diseases or who are naturally ill spread their defective genes and traits to the masses...with an ordinary natural selection our spieces would get stronger. For example, because people with aids are treated and not revealed to the public who they are to prevent public outcasts they are able to spread their deasease to the rest of the world...And the fact still stands...there is really no such thing as peace, that is peace between people with different ideals and cultures...differences breed arguments, which eventually breed war. The only way to true peace is either a mixed culture and ideals or a single culture and ideal that is brought to the world through brute force.

What are you hitler's grandson?

[relentless707]

Bonte -

Democracy is indeed a farce, but as the old adage goes what is the Alternative ?

Some alternatives were explored during the earlier part of the 19th and 20th Centuries and look at the consequences - Two Major World Wars and many others as well as Genocide and countless suffering.

What you are saying about defective Genes/Diseases is all valid but it doesn't make it right to exclude or force those people out like Pariahs. Medicine is advancing more and more, at an amazing rate if you compare it to a 100 years ago so Eradication or whatever other means you put forward for '' stopping the spread of disease and defective genes '' is totally unethical. Modern Medicine in time will provide more answers to Genetic defects and improved Drugs and other treatments can help people.

Also with your proposal of a Single Ideology is an even bigger farce than Democracy - you're putting forward your own Cartesian Paradigm as a means to '' fix '' the issues we have in current times when really it would just breed more ignorance, a singular ideological viewpoint which is no different to the Fundamentalists, Nationalists and many other Extremes. I would rather this reality I live in now than another put forward by Brute force. And remember - by using Brute Force as for example, the Nazi's tried bred contempt and rebellion so there is no peace even when enforcing a Totalitarian Regime on others.

I would and this is not in a patronising way - review some of your views, have a read of men like Nietzsche, Jung and Mills - its better to develop more understanding than to read one example and run with it.

- Schwarzuhr

[Dbozwhite]

It is true that we have stopped evolving genetically because we no longer have the pressures of selection on us.  Since the majority reproduce, the majority of genes are transfered to the next generation and the species as a whole sees little change.  We are still evolving culturally.

However, mixed cultures don't work.  I think that Americans had it right when they wanted everyone who lives in America to be American first and foremost.  In Canada, we are fucking this up.  You look at some people wanting to use Sharia Law to police the Muslim community and you can see what is wrong here.  Valuing other cultures just creates a divided country filled with dissent.  Hard to get things done.  Multiculturalism is a failure.  Look at Holland or any Western, multicultural society and see that it also a country with internal divisions.  Especially Holland.  There the Muslims are moving into neighborhoods en mass, electing their representatives to the government, and using the power to undermine the traditions and laws of the nation to further their own ideals.

1. It is wrong that humanity is not evolving genetically anymore. The genepool is uniting. Increasing globalisation leads to increasing transracial marriages. In my oppionion, thats a good thing. Incest, among siblings, produces children that are often weak and have genetic defects. Same with reproduction within a small restricted genepool, which can be observed in remote mountain villages. Concluding from that, children who have parents with very diverse genes, should be very strong. From my personal observation, that is true. The human genepool benefits from interracial marriages.

2. I think it's quite ignorant to say that mixed cultures dont work and that multiculturism is a failure. Of course it can work. My father is a buddhist and my mother is christian. I refuse to believe that it cant work. But with like so many things, people are just too stupid to try properly.

Your example Holland: The hollandish government has absolutely failed in trying to integrate immigrants. From the seventies up to the nineties the government has done little to nothing to integrate immigrants. People were segregated to certain town districts and the most important issue, providing language courses, was not achieved. Without any help from the government, these parts of towns became ghettos. When problems became more and more, the government resorted to repression: Police actions increased, families were torn apart because of expired residents permits. Immigrants have to pass a test where they are asked on how to brew hollandish tea and how long the train take from amsterdam to enschede. All this has just lead to further alienation. For the sake of Holland, the policies of the immigration minister "iron rita" are highly controversial in Holland.

The same can be seen in many countries, which instead of integrating, just let immigrate. That is the problem.

But it can also be seen much better. I live in Berlin, where 30% of the population are from turkish origin. We played them in the semifinals of the Euro Cup. And it was a very peaceful atmosphere, without any violence. Also, the relation between nations and religions is great where I live. If everybody adapts and is open towards the other, multicultural societies can work. They have to work. Do you think we have a choice?

And, I ask you, why should we value Muslim culture?
What have they ever done for the world?
What is worth preserving in their culture that is not already in Christianity?

Then you think of all that Western Culture has done for the world (technology, individual freedoms, democracy) and you have to wonder, isn't it right for us to remove the Muslim culture?

And what the fuck is this bullshit? Does the muslim culture have to suck your dick before you value them? You should respect a culture simply because it is one and not because it gave you your Nikes. Apart from that, when the europeans were still living like barbarians in the woods the muslim culture has given the world great achievements in astronomy, chemistry, mathematics, medicine and physics (things like your numeric system and shit).

As long as someone elses behaviour is not dangerous to you and others than you should respect it. The problem with todays middle east is a combination of political and religious tolitarism. Kind of like the Christian Crusades. But you cannot account the whole muslim culture for the decisions of stupid politicians and crazy mullahs. And how can you possible talk about removing the whole culture for that?
   
Open your eyes!

Those germans and their Eugenics... silly germans.

[Apex]

Eugenics and their use under their nazis was driven to the extreme and achieved many negative results. But because this topic was abused once, saying that it no be totally irrelevant is ignorant.

[MH3Allies2]

And, I ask you, why should we value Muslim culture?
What have they ever done for the world?
What is worth preserving in their culture that is not already in Christianity?

Then you think of all that Western Culture has done for the world (technology, individual freedoms, democracy) and you have to wonder, isn't it right for us to remove the Muslim culture?

That is the most ignorant statement I have ever seen.

[Lt_Apollo]

And, I ask you, why should we value Muslim culture?
What have they ever done for the world?
What is worth preserving in their culture that is not already in Christianity?

Then you think of all that Western Culture has done for the world (technology, individual freedoms, democracy) and you have to wonder, isn't it right for us to remove the Muslim culture?
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Pshh i can come up with 10 horrible things about christianity right now that other religions are much better about. for one most don't go by any thing than there bible and think only with there beliefs in mind. not saying i am against christianity you have a right to believe in it but don't you dare judge others

and western caulter come on you arrogant fool just cus we have been so successful doesnt mean others are worthless.

Its never right to remove another caulter that's a barbaric ideology right there. if you truly think this way then you need to rethink you view of the world.

[DBSights2]

if you truly think this way then you need to rethink you view of the world.

Why?

That is the most ignorant statement I have ever seen.

How?

1. It is wrong that humanity is not evolving genetically anymore. The genepool is uniting. Increasing globalisation leads to increasing transracial marriages. In my oppionion, thats a good thing. Incest, among siblings, produces children that are often weak and have genetic defects. Same with reproduction within a small restricted genepool, which can be observed in remote mountain villages. Concluding from that, children who have parents with very diverse genes, should be very strong. From my personal observation, that is true. The human genepool benefits from interracial marriages.

When you say that I just keep thinking about stagnation.  New genetics evolve from isolated populations.  Widespread mixing decreases evolutionary potential.

Pshh i can come up with 10 horrible things about christianity right now that other religions are much better about.

Really.

but don't you dare judge others

Everyone judges everything around them.  Its a natural part of being self-conscious.  Those that deny it are just deluding themselves; they refuse to become fully conscious of their surroundings.

Democracy is indeed a farce, but as the old adage goes what is the Alternative ?

Exactly!

Eugenics and their use under their nazis was driven to the extreme and achieved many negative results.

I read a cool essay about the Eugenics mania of the 30's and how it is so similar to the Global Warming mania of today.  Presidents made speeches about it, everyone talked about how something had to be done, big names in science lined up behind it, proof was found to support it, and it was totally wrong.  A lesson about learning from past mistakes and the dangers of popular science.

Anyone remember those crazy prediction about Global Cooling and how there are supposed to be 25 billion people on Earth by now?

I never trust something based entirely on computer modeling.  Especially if it is something that we barely understand.


...And most especially if these models never took into account very important information: such as the fucking Sun.








EDIT: Here is some idea of what I was talking about: http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=552919&p=1