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[UnLimiTeD]

And thats basically what you need to write to begin with.
Not as an 'afterwards' explaination.
Good one though.

Only saying 'It's a lie' is wrong, you need to say  "In my oppinion, it's a lie!", even if it's obvious it's your oppinion because of you posting it.

I'm sure this WILL get locked sooner or later.
But the bed is a good idea.

[Unkn0wn]

See the edit :p.

[GMGriffith]

I wasn't saying anything about evolution at all. And if you say Christ did not rise from the grave, and that Christ is not God - your Christianity in my mind is sorely in question because these are the foundations of Christian belief. Christianity says very specifically that belief in the resurrection of Christ and faith that He is God and the son of God are what saves. Saying that you are a Christian after making the other statements you made just seems absurd to me....

On the topic of Evolution as a proven fact though - it is not. We know micro evolution occurs and that species develop over time. We do not know for a fact that we spawned from a primordial soup and eventually developed from apes into what we are today. In fact most biology books used in high school today teach that there were experiments done that generated protein strands and thus proving life could start from constituent parts. What those books fail to mention is that we've discovered now that the atmosphere they used was actually not like the atmosphere they now feel was around at the time. We also have numerous holes in the fossil records which would be necessary for the huge evolutionary leaps you speak of to occur. I don't know how we got here personally, i don't think the Bible is speaking literally in the creation but i also don't feel there is sufficient evidence to say without significant doubt that we come from apes as you so succinctly put it.

[Days of War]

Religions split people.

Beliefs bring people together.

[|-|Cozmo|-|]

just a side note: SPORE does not depict evolution in anyway at all, you are designing creatures, what theory does that ring a bell from? Intelligent design (ok some of the design in spore is not particularly intelligent but you get the idea).

[Pengu]

On the topic of Evolution as a proven fact though - it is not. We know micro evolution occurs and that species develop over time. We do not know for a fact that we spawned from a primordial soup and eventually developed from apes into what we are today. In fact most biology books used in high school today teach that there were experiments done that generated protein strands and thus proving life could start from constituent parts. What those books fail to mention is that we've discovered now that the atmosphere they used was actually not like the atmosphere they now feel was around at the time. We also have numerous holes in the fossil records which would be necessary for the huge evolutionary leaps you speak of to occur. I don't know how we got here personally, i don't think the Bible is speaking literally in the creation but i also don't feel there is sufficient evidence to say without significant doubt that we come from apes as you so succinctly put it.

Please get your facts straight. You are not describing evolution. You are describing abiogensises in the first part of your paragraph.They are completely different things.
Evolution is a fact whether you like to believe it or not. A gap in the fossil record does not mean evolution is wrong, it just means that a fossil from that period has not been found yet, and may never be found. The science behind evolution is proved by what we do have. We have a huge fossil record to go on, and from what we have you can see the gradual changes in many species. Hell you could pretty much prove evolution happened by just looking at the species currently alive on Earth today. Just about every species has random useless body parts left over from previous generations. I mean just look at the human body! Appendix, tonsils, hair, fingernails all pretty much all useless! Yet if in our past they had a purpose they would make sense.
I find it somewhat amusing that you admit micro evolution occurs, and then are unable to believe that evolution is fact. They are the exact same thing just scaled differently.

[GMGriffith]

mac·ro·ev·o·lu·tion        /ˌmækroʊˌɛvəˈluʃən or, especially Brit., -ˌivə-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mak-roh-ev-uh-loo-shuhn or, especially Brit., -ee-vuh-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Biology.
major evolutionary transition from one type of organism to another occurring at the level of the species and higher taxa.

mi·cro·ev·o·lu·tion        /ˌmaɪkroʊˌɛvəˈluʃən or, especially Brit., -ˌivə-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mahy-kroh-ev-uh-loo-shuhn or, especially Brit., -ee-vuh-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Biology.
1.   evolutionary change involving the gradual accumulation of mutations leading to new varieties within a species.
2.   minor evolutionary change observed over a short period of time.

I'm sayin fish didn't become dinosaurs, and people didn't start as some early rat mammal. If a person eventually stops using their tonsils and appendix that would be micro evolution would it not? Many species do evolve past the use of various things, i'm not arguing that point. I'm saying we don't have some mammal ancestor that split in its evolutionary history to become eventually horses and men.

Edit - to clarify my point, yes they are similar but scaled differently but they are not the same thing.

[CommanderNewbie]

You haven't looked in to it very hard, have you?  There is plenty of evidence having been discovered over the past century to illustrate, for instance, the evolutionary roots of mammals as we know them today.

[BoDyBaG2224TLS]

You are trying to tell me that fish didn't evolve into Dinos? But but, I always thought........

[GMGriffith]

Not as much as i should prior to going into this discussion really, and its been so long since i looked into it all. I was very interested in it all when i took a college bio course with an instructor who was also a sunday school leader at my church. So i looked into the things we learned in class via independent research because a lot of it didn't seem to be conclusive "The fossil record proves...." "well we're missing a lot of fossils but its still conclusive" type of stuff made me curious. And no i didn't grow up believing in creationism, i grew up an athiest/agnostic and didn't become Christian til my last year or so of high school.

[CommanderNewbie]

Nothing is conclusive of course, since we can't actually transport ourselves back in time; but the fossil record that we do have is expanding, and at this point I can confidently say that there are many examples of intermediate predecessors for modern species as we see them, or even the earlier species.

I don't really fault others for believing otherwise though, because frankly the whole idea of macroevolution is beyond the scope of understanding within the period of human existance.  When it's happening over the course of millions of years or through catastrophic changes in the earth's environment, it will likely never be 110% conclusive without a record of every day for every species and derivative.

IMO, there's proof enough for me at this point.

[AmpmX]

On the matter of conclusive, I can't be sure any of you exist.

[CommanderNewbie]

On the matter of conclusive, I can't be sure any of you exist.

Truth, I... guess

[UnLimiTeD7]

This discussion has grown completely pointless.

Yet I have no proove for that, I still believe it.

Believes are for when you don't know, basically you never do..
So let's continue with a definition of facts.

Add in some quotes from the hitchhikers guide through galaxy, when possible.