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[BoDyBaG2224TLS]

Oh please, you tell that to the millions of people who are poor in both Europe and the US. The example you put forth is an insult to those people who struggle every fucking day and do not waste their money on luxury items.

Ofcourse, AMPM is all knowing and has seen poverty with his own eyes, it's all their own fault for being lazy scum.

That is true to an extent though. But not entirely true. And Sam Kininson has the solution to the starvation in Africa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKNoJ2BzSRU

[AmpmX]

BTW, my income for the people I support is slightly higher than the poverty line.

[Champion]

Also he will cut taxes for the middle class while increasing the taxes on the like top 2% of the population (the rich people basically) right now they are hardly taxed what they should be in comparison to the middle class.

I also dislike government involving itself in my business any more than it already does.

Because that policy has worked out so well over the last 8 years right?

This is totaly false. I majored in Accounting at FSU, I know taxes.. The truth is the 95% tax cuts, over 40% of that pay no taxes at all, therefore the government would send them a check. (socialism). The doesn't promote hard work.

The rich pay majority of the taxes. As they have all the money. There is a progressive tax structure in which the rich pay higher percents. Obama will raise the Capital gains tax which will depress investment; the gift tax; payroll taxes; death tax; and a higher percent on the rich to pay for these checks.

[Champion]

There is a reason people in other countries pay more than 40% of their income in taxes.

But yet we make the same amount of money as the average american. Converted to American dollars we even make nearly double .

P.S your tax money gets spent on McCains 8 mansions, isn't that lovely?

McCain's wife's family made all the money in distrubutions after her father came back for WWII.  What is wrong with that?

Obama has written 2 books, but passed no legislation and he lies alot (so does McCain and every other Politican...So I really dont know where he stands.

[BoDyBaG2224TLS]

Yeah I knew when I posted that it wasn't right multitasking ftl, my bad on that.

@AMPM, My grandmother is in no means in any danger of losing food or the other thanks to my family to give a little boost, but what about the people that don't have that. If my family did not exist what would my 72 year old grandmother do? That was the point I'm saying. Senior citizens should not have to work after putting in a life time of work.

BTW doesn't Canada have universal healthcare?

[Unkn0wn]

This is totaly false. I majored in Accounting at FSU, I know taxes.. The truth is the 95% tax cuts, over 40% of that pay no taxes at all, therefore the government would send them a check. (socialism). The doesn't promote hard work.

Funny, Europe has less unemployment than the US... 
Socialism is not communism, and the european system while close to socialism is not true socialism. I'm not a big fan of true socialism myself but I do believe in the right for fellow citizens to have equal chances as me. Have some compassion instead of being so selfish for a change.

Just because you get things from the state doesn't mean you don't have to work, you're being supplied a minimum so that you can have a human worthy life and living. You are supported if you fall ill, are handicapped and what not. It's called empathy. You'll still have to work if you want to get more than just the minimum, in addition (at least in Belgium) we have systems in place to prevent people from just living off social security. You do eventually get cut off when you don't actively seek for work and don't get a job after a certain period.

This system isn't ideal either but statistics don't lie when they say most european countries are better off than the US in terms of unemployment, poverty and whatnot.


You know, when your not too rich and you fall ill, unemployed, become handicapped or whatnot you'll probably end up wishing the state supplied you with better support.

[Champion]

Oh please, you tell that to the millions of people who are poor in both Europe and the US. The example you put forth is an insult to those people who struggle every fucking day and do not waste their money on luxury items.

Ofcourse, AMPM is all knowing and has seen poverty with his own eyes, it's all their own fault for being lazy scum.

American government is empowered to protect the American people. Not to feed a third world.

It's an example to illustrate how much you could've helped the world. You want a better example, fine. You could've solved poverty in the U.S easily.

Although the government feeds a quarter of Africa and give more money through private contributions than any other nation by far

Bullshit, the US is way behind on third world support and ecological concern compared to Europe. And even Europe isn't doing all that great.

This is the problem with outsiders critizing what the don't understand. In America, the government is enpowered by its Constitution.

It limits there power, unlike other contries whose government was establish before.

No where does it say, we need to worry about other Sovergn nations. We do that out of care and goodwill. Whatever we do is a bonus.

America is not Europe. It will never be. We left there, to come here.

[BoDyBaG2224TLS]

This is the problem with outsiders critizing what the don't understand. In America, the government is enpowered by its Constitution.

It limits there power, unlike other contries whose government was establish before.

I'm sorry Bush has already vetoed that.... I live in America btw. The current administration has looked at the Constitution almost as a list of "suggestions" rather then rules.

[AmpmX]

Actually, the state already provides tons of support.

[Unkn0wn]

Actually 'we europeans' went there to leave in the US (which the British founded in the first place, don't you forget that!) . And when people left, Europe was generally worse off. Today Europe is doing better on an economic level and rising again on other levels.

Only rich people leave Europe to live in the US nowadays, back then it was the other way around.

[BoDyBaG2224TLS]

Perhaps in your state, that isn't quite the case in Florida unfortunately which is why a national program other then SS would be a tad more ideal. And tbh Florida is running out of money. 1 more hurricane and we are fucked for a time to come.

Believe me my mother works in a law firm and she has tried to get alternate funding for her mother (my grandmother) and there are so many requirements on many state funds that one must fall into that it gets a tad crazy. Again not focusing on my family but other instances, just using some personal experiences.
Will my AP US history actually come in handy soon? lol

[Unkn0wn]

Perhaps in your state, that isn't quite the case in Florida unfortunately which is why a national program other then SS would be a tad more ideal. And tbh Florida is running out of money. 1 more hurricane and we are fucked for a time to come.

Stop building your houses in wood :p.

P.S And you could learn a thing or two from the Dutch. But the U.S government doesn't seem to have taken any lessons from Katrina, have they?

[CommanderNewbie]

lolz

[Champion]

Funny, Europe has less unemployment than the US... 
Socialism is not communism, and the european system while close to socialism is not true socialism. I'm not a big fan of true socialism myself but I do believe in the right for fellow citizens to have equal chances as me. Have some compassion instead of being so selfish for a change.

Just because you get things from the state doesn't mean you don't have to work, you're being supplied a minimum so that you can have a human worthy life and living. You are supported if you fall ill, are handicapped and what not. It's called empathy. You'll still have to work if you want to get more than just the minimum, in addition (at least in Belgium) we have systems in place to prevent people from just living off social security. You do eventually get cut off when you don't actively seek for work and don't get a job after a certain period.

This system isn't ideal either but statistics don't lie when they say most european countries are better off than the US in terms of unemployment, poverty and whatnot.


You know, when your not too rich and you fall ill, unemployed, become handicapped or whatnot you'll probably end up wishing the state supplied you with better support.

Yet we're still the world leader. And the society that was covited the most.

We have empathy, we have social-welfare. But there is a line to be drawn. And in American, that line is below the pathetic European nations.

We protect you and you critize with your snobby noses up.

[AmPM]

Then what you have is a State issue, and not a National issue.

[BoDyBaG2224TLS]

Funny, Europe has less unemployment than the US... 
Socialism is not communism, and the european system while close to socialism is not true socialism. I'm not a big fan of true socialism myself but I do believe in the right for fellow citizens to have equal chances as me. Have some compassion instead of being so selfish for a change.

Just because you get things from the state doesn't mean you don't have to work, you're being supplied a minimum so that you can have a human worthy life and living. You are supported if you fall ill, are handicapped and what not. It's called empathy. You'll still have to work if you want to get more than just the minimum, in addition (at least in Belgium) we have systems in place to prevent people from just living off social security. You do eventually get cut off when you don't actively seek for work and don't get a job after a certain period.

This system isn't ideal either but statistics don't lie when they say most european countries are better off than the US in terms of unemployment, poverty and whatnot.


You know, when your not too rich and you fall ill, unemployed, become handicapped or whatnot you'll probably end up wishing the state supplied you with better support.

Yet we're still the world leader. And the society that was covited the most.

We have empathy, we have social-welfare. But there is a line to be drawn. And in American, that line is below the pathetic European nations.

We protect you and you critize with your snobby noses up.

PLEASE DON'T GET THIS LOCKED.

And while it may be a state issue, it really shouldn't be, imo because this is something that is nationwide rather then isolated to one state.

[Champion]

This is the problem with outsiders critizing what the don't understand. In America, the government is enpowered by its Constitution.

It limits there power, unlike other contries whose government was establish before.

I'm sorry Bush has already vetoed that.... I live in America btw. The current administration has looked at the Constitution almost as a list of "suggestions" rather then rules.

Its not just Bush buddy, its Congress. I know a little more than you in the art of our government. Don't be so nieve to think that more Branch can over take the other.

In fact, Supreme Court Judges have done more to shape American than any other branch. And they have the power (took it in Marbary v. Madison, in the early stages of our country) over the other branches.

[Nevyen]

Then what you have is a State issue, and not a National issue.

That comment is a very clear inditment as to the way things are going south for certain countries. Within thier own country people are acting like small nation states and not looking at issues on the national level and really social justice and support is a national issue not a state one.

we have a similar problem here in the Aus right now with water managment, rather than get on with the job of preserving important eco systms the states here cause trouble and act like they arn't part of a national issue.  Result? no action or poor action, either way its probably more enhanced in such a grand experiment as "the united states" where similar attitudes prevail to national issues.  

[BoDyBaG2224TLS]

I know it is not Bush, but I'm referring the whole administration and I know plenty about the whole checks and balances but I wouldn't believe that one branch doesn't hold more power then another. I know they aren't suppose to but I mean you have to take a look at a lot of shit that has happened, I'm not saying they have disregarded the constitution I just see them as finding as many loopholes as possible through it for certain situations. I love what the country was founded on but the last 8 years don't show that imo.  Since it is getting harder to type I'm going to bed, before I make rash claims unlike my earlier posts that I put a tad more thought into.

At this rate I'll never get to play Rome

[Champion]

Im in Tampa Fl, DoubleMajor in Accounting and Real Estate at Florida State University, and am in the process of earing a dual Law and MBA degree from Stetson Law in St. Pete, Fl. I know a little something bout our state.

Both parties are curupt, the government learned from Katrina, the learned the wrong way. The pump massive amounts of money, rescue people they claimed they were not going to rescue and have massive evacuations for any moderate threat.

It all furthers my point, that in America, (at least as that is what I've studied) more Government doesn't work. Its not the American Way. I understand you others can't understand that, that is why I feel that you should concern yourselves less with My country and worried about whatever minimal problems your Eutopia has