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[Guderian]

can someone give me a direct sum of witman kills but really did he do that much
we should light up more on hans ulrich me thinks (2600 designated hits)

ore someone else

and is there any damn known tank commander? on the allied side.

[BlackBanana]

No talent in fighting in a tiger. It is OP, so no wub for this...

[PrydainAllies]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ekins

Not very many people know this but; Wittman's Tiger was James Bond.

[Guderian]

rofl

[Flack]

Following is a list of the top 61 Panzer Aces.


1.Kurt Knispel –168 Kills (sPzAbt. 503)
2.Otto Carius – 150+ Kills (sPzAbt. 502)–Tiger I--Knight's Cross 5/4/44, Oak Leaves 7/27/44.
3.Johannes (Hans) Bolter-- 139 Kills (possibly 144) (sPzAbt. 502) Tigers– Knight's Cross 4/16/44, Oak Leaves 9/10/44.
4.Michael Wittman – 138 Kills (sS.S.PzAbt. 101 Liebstandarte)–Tiger I–Knight's Cross 1/14/44, Oak Leaves 1/14/44 with Swords, 6/25/44.
5.Hans Sandrock – 123 Kills (assorted AFV last unit HJ )
6.Paul Egger – 113 Kills (s SS Pz. Abt. 102)–Tigers– Knight's cross 4/28/45
7.Fritz Lang– 113 Kills (StuG. Abt. 232)
8.Arno Giesen – 111 Kills (Das Reich)
9.Oberfahnrich Rondorf—106 kills (sPzAbt. 503)–Tigers
10.Feldwebel Gaetner ( Gartner?)– 103 Kills (sPzAbt. 503)–Tigers
11.Karl Koener – 100+ Kills (sS.S.PzAbt. 503)–Tigers–Knight's Cross 4/29/44.
12.Albert Kerscher – 100+ Kills (sPzAbt. 502)–Tigers–Knight's Cross 10/23/44.
13.Balthazar (Bobby) Woll–100+ Kills, 81 as Gunner (sSS Pz. Abt. 101)–Knight's Cross–1/16/44.
14.Helmut Wendorff—84 Kills (sS.S.Pz Abt.101)–Tigers–Knight's Cross 2/12/44.
15.Ernst Barkmann—82+ Kills (Das Reich)—Panther–Knight's Cross 8/27/44.
16.Eric Litztke—76 Kills (sPzAbt. 509)--Tigers– Knight's Cross 10/20/44
17.Hermann Bix – 75+ Kills (4th Panzer Division)–Knight's Cross 3/22/45.
18.Hans Strippel – 70 Kills (4. / II/ PzAbt. 1, 1st Pz. Division)–Pz. IV–Knight's Cross 6/4/44.
19.Emil Seibold – 69 Kills (Das Reich)–Pz IV+ Captured T-34s
20.Wilhelm Knauth—68 Kills (sPzAbt. 505)–Tigers–Knight's Cross 11/14/43.
21.Hugo Primozic– 68 Kills (StuG Abt. 667)–Knight's Cross 9/25/42, Oak Leaves 1/25/43.
22.Karl Bromann – 66 Kills (sS.S.PzAbt. 503)–Tigers.
23.Josef William (Sepp) Brandner – 61 Kills (StuG Brigade 912)–Knight's Cross 1/17/45, Oak Leaves 4/30/45.
24.Hans-Bobo von Rohr – 58 Kills (25 Pz. Abt., 7th Pz. Division)–Knight's Cross 11/15/44, Oak leaves 4/8/45 (Posthumously).
25.Karl Heinz Warmbrunn-- 57 Kills, 44 as gunner (s SS Pz. Abt. 101)–Tigers
26.Albert Ernst–55 Kills–(s.Pz. Jgr. Abt. 519)--Nashorn–Knight's Cross–2/7/44.
27.Richard Engelmann—54 Kills (StuG Abt. 912)–Knight's Cross 7/22/44.
28.Heinz Kling–51 Kills (s SS Pz. Abt. 101)--Tigers.
29.Johann Muller–50 Kills ((sPz. Abt. 502)--Tigers–Knight's Cross 10/23/44.
30.Josef Dallmeier—50 Kills (Fhr. PzJager Kp.1183)–Hetzer–Knight's Cross 4/3/45(?).
31.Walter Feibig—50+ Kills (StuG Brigade 301)
32.Heinz Kramer – 50+ Kills (sPzAbt. 502)–Tigers–Knight's Cross 10/6/44.
33.Alfredo Carpaneto – 50+ Kills (sPzAbt. 502)–Tigers–Knight's Cross 3/28/45.
34.Oberleutnant Mausberg – 50+ Kills (s.Pz. Abt. 505)–Tigers.
35.Wolfgang Hans Heimer Paul von Bostell–48 Kills–( Pz. Jgr. Kp. 1023, Pz. Jgr. Abt. 205)–Knight's Cross 9/2/44, Oak Leaves 4/30/45.
36.Jurgen Brandt—47 Kills (sS.S.Abt. 101)–Tigers.
37.Heinz Deutsch – 44 Kills (Fsch. StuG Brigade 12) Knight's Cross 4/28/45.
38.Fritz Amling—42+ Kills (in 48 Hrs. with StuG Brigade 202) Knight's Cross 12/5/42.
39.Heinz Scharf—40+ Kills (StuG Brigade 202) Knight's Cross 9/5/44.
40.Walter Oberloskamp – 40+ Kills (StuG Brigade 667) Knight's Cross 5/15/43.
41.Fredrich Tadje—39 Kills (StuG Abt. 190) Knight's Cross 10/24/42.
42.Rudolf Roy—36 Kills (12 S.S. PanzerJager Abt. HJ)–JP IV–Knight's Cross 10/16/44.
43.Gottwald Stier—30+ Kills (StuG Brigade 667) Knight's Cross (date unknown).
44.Josef Trager – 30+ Kills (StuG Brigade 667) Knight's Cross (date unknown).
45.Richard Schram—30 Kills (StuG Brigade 202) Knight's Cross 12/12/42.
46.Karl Pfreundtner—30 Kills (StuG Abt. 244) Knight's Cross 9/18/42.
47.Karl Heinrich Banze – 24 Kills (13 on one day StuG Abt. 244) Knight's Cross 5/27/42.
48.Felix Adamowitsch –23 Kills (in an 8 day period, StuG Abt. 244) Knight's Cross 10/20/44.
49.Eugen Metzger—23 Kills (StuG Abt. 203) Knight's Cross 9/29/41.
50.Hauptmann Rade –23 Kills (StuG Abt. 244)
51.Heinrich Teriete – 22 Kills (in one engagement, sPzJgAbt. 653) Knight's Cross 7/22/43.
52.Franz Staudegger—22+ Kills (sS.S.Pz Abt. 101) Knight's Cross 7/10/43.
53.Franz Kretshmer – 21 Kills (sPzJgAbt. 653) Knight's Cross 12/17/43
54.Horst Naumann—21 Kills (StuG Abt. 184) Knight's Cross 1/4/43
55.Klaus Wagner – 18 Kills (in two days, StuG Abt. 667)
56.Hermann Feldheim—16 Kills (sPzJgAbt. 654)
57.Heinrich Engel –15 Kills (StuG Abt. 259) Knight's Cross 11/7/43
58. Rudolf von Ribbentrop– 14 Kills (LSSAH+ HJ) Knight's Cross 7/20/43.
59. Wachtmeister Moj–12 Kills (StuG Abt. 190)
60. Siegfried Freyer– 11 Kills in one engagement (Pz. Abt. 24) Knight's Cross 7/23/43.
61. Alfred Reginitor–10 Kills (StuG Abt. 279) Knight's Cross (date unknown).

However this list is only counting tank kills. And as far as i know, Wittmann thought it was a greater accomplishment to take out AT-guns, which are more easily camouflaged. With that said there is no official record of ATG-kills, but people normally agree that Wittmann won in that category.

[Duckordie]

*Sight* Why did not the Allies join the Axis and go and fuck Sovjet in the ass... Stupid Hitler, never played risk, you cant hold Russia, its to big

[Skaevola2]

Top Fighter Ace:

Erich Hartmann with 352 air kills

[AmPM]

Rudel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Ulrich_Rudel

[PrydainAllies]

I never read a wiki page that has "In addition, Rudel's input was used during the development of the A-10 ground attack aircraft." in it. Stukas where dive bombers, I don't think they had LITENING pods or any modern capabilitys... Whoever writ that is taking their source out of context, if it is a source to begin with.

[AmPM]

You do realize that the JU-87G had 2 wing mounted gunpods with 37mm cannons in them right? And you do realize that was what he flew most of his missions in. You might also realize that in building the A-10 they looked at the JU-87, the IL-2 and the Skyraider as influences and that his book was required reading for the A-X teams that were involved in creating the prototypes for the US Airforce?

Please do some research.

[PrydainAllies]

Gunpods? Very different from missiles.

Any influence would be minimal, in fact if you know anything about modern aircraft, using a Stuka pilots experiences when hitting targets from miles away with such accuracy is possible.

[Skaevola2]

Except the A-10 uses a 30mm cannon that would be relatively similar to 37mm gunpods. Also, I would imagine someone with 500+ tank kills would no a thing or two about necessary capabilities in attack aircraft.

[AmPM]

Except that the A-10 gets in quite close, as in less than a mile, its main weapon is a rotary cannon, not missiles. In fact its attack speed is pretty slow, slower than many WW2 era fighters. It was designed as a low speed, low altitude close air support plane, and thats the same job that the JU-87G, IL-2 and Skyraider were designed for.

If you know anything about design process, its that you take the input and experience of the people that did the job before and see what can be improved or added on to make whatever tool you have do it better.

[PrydainAllies]

Gunpods on a Stuka compared to an A10 with computer assisted avionics and modern HUD gunsight.

Ya, Rudel I am sure could agree that his prop engined plane was controlled in such a manor for it to be emulated on a jet aircraft that just happens to be designed to take on soviet tanks in eastern europe...

[Skaevola2]

The technology changes but the principles and most basic tactics are the same.

[sg31stPzGren]

Gunpods on a Stuka compared to an A10 with computer assisted avionics and modern HUD gunsight.

So you're telling me, that the very first gunpowder rifles developed in the 14th-16th century had nothing to do with modern rifles?

As far as I know, people back then was trying to innovate for ways to improve the rifles based on these problems;

Speed of Loading/Reloading/Whatever - Coming up with breech loading, revolving chambers, bolt action etc etc etc
Increased Accuracy - Creating rifling, delevoping iron sights (today its an aimpoint, acog etc.)
Increasing Effective range - Improving gunpowder quality, improving bullet dynamics etc.

etc etc.

This is just a parallel comparison with another piece of technology.

[PrydainAllies]

So you're telling me, that the very first gunpowder rifles developed in the 14th-16th century had nothing to do with modern rifles?

When did logic escape you?

Gunpowder rifles could not fire effectively at 400m, they where not able to switch fire-mode between semi-automatic and fully-automatic. They where not flat top, they where not very durable and could not fire when damp. Weapons today are a world away from what they where in 1800.

Now, why are they comparable, and why should a soldier of today give a 19th century soldier five minuets of his time to compare tactics and what they offer?

Of course they both share the title 'gun' and they have the same lineage but wielders of both could not assist each other in the others usage.

[sgMisten]

Gunpods on a Stuka compared to an A10 with computer assisted avionics and modern HUD gunsight.

Ya, Rudel I am sure could agree that his prop engined plane was controlled in such a manor for it to be emulated on a jet aircraft that just happens to be designed to take on soviet tanks in eastern europe...

A10 Devs: Hello Mr Rudel we want to develop a new modern ground attack plane that excels at destroying tanks. In WW2 you flew a plane that was able to destroy tanks, and you destroyed a heck lot of them.

What features did your plane have that you liked, and what features did you wish your plane have that at the time it did not have?

Rudel: Well I know I'm good but your average pilot has difficulty finding targets by eye. If we had assisted automated targeting HUDs, that give us some specific types of useful information, then every pilot can kill as many tanks as I did!