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[Mysthalin_Axis]

Hetzers are pretty damn amazing, to be honest. Their low profile + super armor means that even if a shot hits them, it's unlikely it will penetrate. With the rather low health it's really easy to repair to full efficiency...
But, they could live with having APCR rounds on them by default.

[Baine]

But, they could live with having APCR rounds on them by default.

Or make them have it available as upgrade that you can buy like the Sherman upgun.

[Mysthalin_Axis]

The hetzer can already penetrate most of the time, so buying APCR rounds on it would be pretty pointless.
Having them by default would give more initiative to buy them, though.

[AmPM]

Again, its job is done better by other units for lower price.

Its not that it can't do anything, its the fact that anything it can do can be done better by other units for less.

[Mysthalin_Axis]

Nerf everything else the axis have so hetzer becomes more viable, then.

[Mgallun74]

no, the hetzer is fine..

[brn4meplz]

Just checked the stats for the P4 cannon and the 75mm on the hetzer.
(just the armament mind you. the Top MG's are identical)
They are identical in every way except...

Panzer 4: Area of effect range.  Long 2.5/Medium .75/Short .25
Hetzer: Area of effect range. Long .5/Medium .25/Short .1

Accuracy to Infantry armour
P4: 0.75(all infantry armour)
Hetzer: 0.6(the hetzer gets .35 on snipers and .5 on heroic targets and .5 on Infantry Soldier)


Moving Accuracy modifier
P4: 1
Hetzer: .5(to all infantry types)

Thats a pretty big discrepancy, right now the only thing the Hetzer has going for it is deflection modifier and 10 pop cap instead of 12 for the Panzer 4. but honestly for the same cost I'll take the Panzer 4. 50 Munitions gets the Top MG. and on the hetzer 45 munitions gets +10 range, which might be usefull from time to time.

[gamesguy5]

Just checked the stats for the P4 cannon and the 75mm on the hetzer.
(just the armament mind you. the Top MG's are identical)
They are identical in every way except...

Panzer 4: Area of effect range.  Long 2.5/Medium .75/Short .25
Hetzer: Area of effect range. Long .5/Medium .25/Short .1

Accuracy to Infantry armour
P4: 0.75(all infantry armour)
Hetzer: 0.6(the hetzer gets .35 on snipers and .5 on heroic targets and .5 on Infantry Soldier)


Moving Accuracy modifier
P4: 1
Hetzer: .5(to all infantry types)

Thats a pretty big discrepancy, right now the only thing the Hetzer has going for it is deflection modifier and 10 pop cap instead of 12 for the Panzer 4. but honestly for the same cost I'll take the Panzer 4. 50 Munitions gets the Top MG. and on the hetzer 45 munitions gets +10 range, which might be usefull from time to time.

The +10 weapon and sight range is really great though.

[Tymathee]

LOL, did you just say its selling points were vs unmanned weapons and infantry? Guess what does this better, a STuG or P4, and for the same or less.

You do know a squad of infantry can also kill an unmanned ATG or Howi right?

Its a tank destroyer that fails vs anything other than light vehicles, which an Ostwind or Schrek squad can do better anyway.

And Tym, those are the exact same things a STuG excels at, while being cheaper, and killing tanks.

stug is good at decrewing but the hetzer seems really good at taking out support weapons by killing it, not decrewing it.

[DiBBs]

I don't know if it my micro but I find it really good at taking out armor like m10s and shermans.
just keep it away from at guns.

Also the deflection makes it quite useful against fireflies, cromwells not so much with their super fast over drive race car  flanking speed feature.

[AmPM]

However, vs a Sherman or M10, a Marder does the same with more damage.

[DasNoob]

However, vs a Sherman or M10, a Marder does the same with more damage.

HA and more range...  Hetzer is fail.  I'm really sad its ambush option isn't good.  It could have been the Pak of tanks

[panzerjager1943]

Actually it's ambush is pretty good. It's just hard to get it to work, since while ambushing you can't turn.
The ambush gives Penetration x2, Accuracy x1.25, Damage x1.5.

[DasNoob]

Yep!  Anyway to code it in to turn while camo?

[brn4meplz]

Another pro for the hetzer... It has the same vet requirements as a Pak gun.
 where as the P4 is 30/100/300

[Scyntos]

Yeah.. definitely doesn't deserve to be cheaper.

[GefreiterHummel]

srsly, its a weak tank
the only good thing is its frnt armour, the rest sucks

[Smokaz]

Hetzer blows, take my word for it.. stug does the same job cheaper with skirts to protect it from infantry without "lol i am sniper tank who cant turn" camo. (Edited because of new vet tables)

[Benevolence]

I find it quite good at the moment, its got good range and great front armour. Its a tank hunter, infantry SHOULD rape it.

If you want to change something then make its vet upgrades a better.

[DiBBs]

If you want to change something then make its vet upgrades a better.

QFT