Why was "Company" renamed "Battalion?"

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[sgMisten]

Just something that kept nagging at me.

Maybe cause I started EiR from the past, but the older terminology made sense. Each call-in is a "squad", bigger ones are "platoons", then everything together forms a "company", which coincidentally usually is around 150-200 men.

Battalion has a lot more people in it, and the numbers don't match, and it's Company of Heroes, not Battalion of Heroes, at the numbers we're looking at.

=x

Nitpicking maybe, but nitpicking it is.

[AmPM]

True, its more of a Company with Divisional and Battalion assets attached to it.

Basically, we all play some form of infantry with Divisional armor assets added, divisional artillery added, and some Battalion support weapons and ATGs added.

[Nevyen]

Ok ill Feild that one

I chose battalion for a few reasons and i guess if people musy nitpick as they are oft to do, the rational was that to me the battalion is what is critical here and more so operations as we play them support more the concept of the regimental combat team/ kampgruppen.

Additionally i drew inspiration from the Close Combat series that played in the same vien ie battalion as the unit and the actual fighting force was the regimental combat team.  There is allot to suggest that such adhoc formations operated allot across ww2 and seeing as we are not going for exact historical accuracy I would assume players would like to represent these elite and diverse combat formations as opposed to the humdrum company.

AMPM and I in TLS2 discussed this a bit and at the time agreed it was a great way to do it.  So i was drawing inspiration from AMPM (which i rarely do ).

[AmPM]

Possible to change it from Battalion to Kamfgruppe for ze Germans?

And to your Regimental Combat Team stuff for those allied people?

Might make more sense =)

[Nevyen]

I can see that but not a critical element right now as you be aware.

[Tymathee]

sounds cool but is it possible?

and didn't the b rits call it something else?

[brn4meplz]

No the commonwealth still uses the:
Section->Platoon->Company->Batalion, etc.

It's when you get into Armoured units that people get confused.

the same list as above becomes.
Patrol->Troop->Squadron->Regiment

It's a relatively modern idea to start mixing combat battle groups which are essentially self sustaining and have within them access to everything they would need. In the 2nd world war the Allies we're fairly inflexible in their formations and command structure, where as the German forces were given authority to exercise command decision and take the initiative.

[Nevyen]

The brits used the brigade as opposed to the regiment as the regiment was an adminsitrative formation, as battalions from the same regiment where in general not grouped together Ie you have the guards brigade and so on.

That being so, this is not a critical issue and really does warrent attention right now.

[Nevyen]

for those who don't believe me

reference material

Increasingly during World War II, infantry regiments employed the regimental combat team (RCT) concept.  A regimental combat team might be a group of combat units; for example, it might include an artillery battalion, an engineer company, a medical company, and a signal detachment, all supporting the infantry regiment employed to accomplish a given mission.  The sub-legions of the postcolonial period (1792 - 96) commanded by the Revolutionary War hero Anthony Wayne were the predecessors of the regimental combat team.  Regimental combat teams, formed after World War II and during the Korean War to perform limited tactical objectives, were composed of an infantry regiment, a field artillery battalion, and an engineer company.  The colors are blue and white for infantry, red for artillery, and red and white for engineers.

Information extracted from the book "US ARMY PATCHES"  by Barry Jason Stein

[Peiper71]

I'm not too fussed what you want to call it, so I'm just being nitpicky too.

Basically the scale isn't anywhere near a RCT or Kampfgruppe though. Its still very company orientated both in the objective size on the maps and numbers wise. When we play a 3v3 it certainly takes on battalion sized proportions. I always think of the game as being a small part of a larger battle as company skirmishes in isolation would be nothing more than a recon probe or patrol. In any case, thinking of it like this is the only way to really explain the piecemeal of armor. Either the other elements of the tank platoon are close by fighting in adjacent combats or they would never be deployed so sparsely. German tank platoons did become units of 3 however by late '44.

You could however say the ferocity of the combat reflects a larger unit though. Few company engagements would be fought so bitterly in terms of attrition. For instance, Easy company from Band of Brothers which most people are familiar with took 160% casualties during the war. It saw a fair amount of action, which is why its such a heroic tale. In Company of Heroes we regularly see 100% casualties from one action if these are to be considered companies. Luckily its us that decides when to quit, because most units would surrender or retire long before that point 

[Unkn0wn]

It was a batallion in old EIR because you could play with multiple companies. Now that there's a limit of 1 company per account it should probably be renamed. In addition, it sais 'Company Name:' on the batallion page.

This is just a minor detail though, can easily be renamed but its not exactly priority .
(Just like renaming 'Request supply' to 'Ready')

[EscforrealityTLS]

What might be useful in the Control panel is if the mouse scrolls over something a little description pops up.

For example:

Scrolling over "Create" with the mouse would say "Clicking create, will make a game for others to join, you will be able to decide game size and battle type."

Scrolling over "Join" with the mouse would say "This will allow you to join the game you have currently selected provided there is space for you faction."

And so on.

[Unkn0wn]

Trust me, we have a huge list of things that would be nice for the launcher but its just not priority .

[EscforrealityTLS]

Haha I know, I know just though I'd suggest it. 

[TheDeadlyShoe]

Ah. I get it.  We're only using a company's worth of troops, but we're drawing from a battalion sized pool.  That justifies the variety of units in the _immediate combat environment_.  If we were drawing from a company sized pool, we wouldn't have access to artillery or heavy tanks.

[Nevyen]

Finally someone who gets it.