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[Bubz]

iht armor and suppression/mg42>bren
and there is no way you can get a bren as reinforcement.

[CafeMilani]

i understand that u dont know the button ability, sorry

brens> IHT

[Bubz]

let's button those stormies sure...

[Mysthalin]

1. Button is only on the Bren MMG, not bren transport.
2. Button works rather poorly on infantry, last time I checked.
3. Bren gun carrier dies considerably faster than an IHT does, the IHT insta-suppresses most enemy infantry at close range, where the flamen needs to be to start raping, bren gun just fails. Units in bren transport die horribly fast, even if the transport lives.
4. Crocodile is just a taaaad bit more expensive than an IHT+flame pios, as well as a bit less readily available(1 availability).
5. Button is easily dodgeable, and will not help a bren MMG win vs a flame IHT.

[CafeMilani]

sry i mean bren tommies

[Lt_Apollo]

The IHT is the core of a proper PE army, any nerf to it WILL dramaticaly decrease most PE companys efficancy.

in my opinion the IHT fufills a crucial role in the PE by providing the PE a highly effective but very vunrable supresion tool. please note that the PE lack this by defualt and it is one of there most blantant weekneses, this can not be used like an HMG however and is highly vanrable to all forms of AT. if removed the PE IHT will be soly for transpot and inefecinve at provide critical infentry support to unloding troops.

the IHT must be at close range to supress thus it is an exilant shock weapon that truly fits the PE fraction. in caparison to the other fractions the IHT may seem OP at the moment due to its aperant instant supresion but it is realy a critical element that realy brings out the best in PE shock tatics that allow players to effectivly stun ennnemy blobs into submision and provide fast hard hiting strikes wherever it is needed.

if it becomes a problem i would move for a price increase in manpower (not fuel die to PEs motorised necitys) or an decrease in avability.

I firmly beleave this unit needs to change in stats and that will remain my opinion for the time being. if you are mad becouse you are being killed by IHTs then just remember they can NOT be used in a frontal assualt and CAN ONLY supress your infentry IF you do not SUPPORT them.

[Mysthalin]

Thing is apollo, Relic did a buff to the IHT, not the EiR team. It is not "apparently instant" suppresion - it's as instant as it gets - almost equal to the HMG42 right now. I do not think the IHT should actualy suppress faster than a quad .50cal does at equal ranges, do you? The popgun on the wehrmacht halftrack as well, - it insta-suppresses everything it comes into contact with (tank top MGs also tend to suppress very, very fast now, including the sherman .50cal), and it is more a relic-induced bug rather than a feature.
Also, the IHT is not at all 'vulnearable' - in fact, it takes quite a beating to go down. Without AT weaponry, it'll live through small arms fire, and the only manpack AT capable of defeating the IHT is the RR, due to it's good accuracy at long ranges, which the bazooka does not have, and therefore has to get in close, where the rangers get instantly suppressed, and pinned in two volleys.

The PE need buffs, but not in their vehicles - it's their highly underused infantry that need the buffs, there is already no incentive to using PE infantry, buffing the vehicles even more is pretty much a death sentence for the humble PzGren.

[BigDick]

Not to mention pio flame+iht combo...

Eh? Bren + eng flamers, same effect. Or even better, get a croc.

that is not true baine, a bren kills squads before engies get in distance to do any thing

ps: and at gun crawl supported by inf and a quad is pe=dead

[Bubz]

PE shouldn't be played like you play wehrmacht imho, as you all do, expecially in making call ins. And those armor overbuffs incredibly decrease the amount of effort you need to play PE allowing you to simply park your IHT or AC in the enemy forces killing and suppressing abusing the burst bug (they are the most noticeable buggers besides puma) Infantry at least in green cover should be able to damage and defeat these vehicles. On the other hand death percentage when a halftrack is destroyed should go back to survivable values, allowing more members to get out alive from the vehicle.

[Lt_Apollo]

You Need AT to kill any vehichle that is a simple fact. if you dont have AT you should die. PE reqires intense micro to avoid shreks and paits, just try PE and you will understand. the old way made PE units unviable, so any reverting back would be a huge nerf.

lear to adapt idk bring a tank with you to counter LIGHT vehichles, i have a feeling it works.

[brn4meplz]

You Need AT to kill any vehichle that is a simple fact. if you dont have AT you should die. PE reqires intense micro to avoid shreks and paits, just try PE and you will understand.

PE has a huge problem fighting those allied Schrek blobs huh? dangerous ground when your enemies use your weapons against you

[BigDick]

You Need AT to kill any vehichle that is a simple fact. if you dont have AT you should die. PE reqires intense micro to avoid shreks and paits, just try PE and you will understand.

PE has a huge problem fighting those allied Schrek blobs huh? dangerous ground when your enemies use your weapons against you

he probably means bazookas and recoilles that get 2/3 of us doctrines and piats that almost never misses...im very glad by picking up piats nowadays because i can really annoy my opponent be killing inf and armor over buildings/hedges without getting hit

[Mysthalin]

I heard PIATs never hit a moving vehicle, but that may be a blatant lie, nevermind me personaly having only gotten hit by a single PIAT shell .

BigDick, buy a bren gun carrier with a flamethrower engineer, then charge it at a volks. I'm pretty sure that the volks will be dieing to the flamethrower, not the bren's MG.
Seriously - stop taking things out of context, how on earth can you freaking compare a tommie squad with a bren to an IHT? SERIOUSLY!?

The problem we see with the IHT(and the simple wehr HT), if you haven't realised yet, is the fact it suppresses faster than an HMG42. My point was that the IHT is not at all "vulnearable" - it's actualy quite survivable, and packs a punch at that. I would also like to ask, how bringing a 12 popcap tank should be the only viable tool vs a 3 popcap unit that costs 35 FU 240 MP(confirmation on MP?)? I personaly have little trouble countering the IHT, but it's suppresion is way off, and it shouldn't have been buffed in the first place - buff the goddamn PzGrens, the G43, and un-revert soldier armor so they don't die in half a second as soon as anything coughs their way.

PE does not require intense micro to dodge shreks, as the allies have none. Bazookas - just stay at max range, not at all something extremely hard, and you can't really do shit about RRs, other than charge them and kill them - micro won't help you much with their good accuracy. PIATs... I seriously don't know how much micro you need to keep moving back from a squad that has soldier armor, crap health, and which's projectile can't hit a moving target :S.

[Bubz]

I quote mystahlin, the issue is iht suppresses and its armor is ridiculous, and rifles can only suck, you always derail posts by making comparison with brits or other factions who are not the same/involved in the issue.
As the bren could never get engies inside because there is no reinf package with bren.

[BigDick]

I heard PIATs never hit a moving vehicle, but that may be a blatant lie, nevermind me personaly having only gotten hit by a single PIAT shell .

BigDick, buy a bren gun carrier with a flamethrower engineer, then charge it at a volks. I'm pretty sure that the volks will be dieing to the flamethrower, not the bren's MG.

Seriously - stop taking things out of context, how on earth can you freaking compare a tommie squad with a bren to an IHT? SERIOUSLY!?

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sry i mean bren tommies

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why buying a brencarrier when a tommy squad with bren is the ultimative raping machine?

[BigDick]

I quote mystahlin, the issue is iht suppresses and its armor is ridiculous, and rifles can only suck, you always derail posts by making comparison with brits or other factions who are not the same/involved in the issue.
As the bren could never get engies inside because there is no reinf package with bren.

try AT guns man

AT guns are death of PE...you can completely PWN pe players by using AT gun Quad + inf (preferable rangers) makes 14-15 pop

only thing PE player can do against that is hoping for extremely lucky ACs (that get PWNed by quad over time) or a decent wehr mate

[Akranadas]

Well, the Bren Carrier has the speed advantage; it can also flank a tank; block it, then button it.

[Bubz]

You mean the mgBren?

[Mysthalin]

Quad actualy loses to an AC over time, due to poorer penetration values on the .50cal
You just don't get it, do you?

We were comparing an IHT with flamer pioneers to a bren with flamer engineers. I just don't know how in the world your minds work, because they added 2 and 2 together and decided we're talking about the tommie squad upgrade. How on earth is that even logical, since when does a bren tommie fullfill a role even remotely simmilar to the one the PE IHT does? Stop derailing threads with absolute bullshit and learn to read for god's sake.

Seriously look at it again
IHT + pio compared to Bren + eng
How can this even make you think that the bren is a tommie squad? Seriously? w...t...f?

[CafeMilani]

Quad actualy loses to an AC over time, due to poorer penetration values on the .50cal
You just don't get it, do you?

We were comparing an IHT with flamer pioneers to a bren with flamer engineers. I just don't know how in the world your minds work, because they added 2 and 2 together and decided we're talking about the tommie squad upgrade. How on earth is that even logical, since when does a bren tommie fullfill a role even remotely simmilar to the one the PE IHT does? Stop derailing threads with absolute bullshit and learn to read for god's sake.

Seriously look at it again
IHT + pio compared to Bren + eng
How can this even make you think that the bren is a tommie squad? Seriously? w...t...f?

pls record ur AC winning vs. a quad.