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[nugnugx]

What about a price decrease because of the relic nerf?

20 would be fair enough


and the 150 storm price compared to 160 RR which always hit , and they get 2? 

[Nijo]

didn't they just nerfed the faust?

[nugnugx]

schreck has a lower chance to hit  from long, now it hits the ground alot


(faust is a different story , there is no more heavy armor bonus so it makes only 70 dmg )

[gamesguy2]

schreck has a lower chance to hit  from long and medium range  , now it hits the ground alot

Link to changelog?

[nugnugx]

 - Wehrmacht and Panzer Elite Panzerschreck projectile scatter tuned to closer match that of US bazooka. This will reduce number of accidental hits on enemy vehicles.

- Panzerschreck accuracy vs AT guns reduced.

from the changelog

[BigDick]

panzerschrecks are only useful as some mobile (extreme expensive) supporting AT since a while

and since paks got nerfed by eir you loose additional important seconds and one or two shots

it is very difficult to get some decent AT together, against all this light vehiclespam (especially ridicules 5 pop quads) and tankspam
that introducing of offmaps cause that many pak38 get destroyed before you could decloak it and move it.....

so i don't know what is more worse...menpacked AT that gets raped by m8 and quads and are impossible to hit anything that is far away or paks that cannot move instantly and get shitloads of onmaps and offmaps dropped onto it and get pwnd by these 5 pop quads too

[HeartBreakOne88]

A bunch of axis fanboys(anyone ever think that a cloaked ATG that can move is slightly OP..., stop crying abot RRs, yes they may hit at long range , but they do less damage, there good because of penetration and range, shrecks are good for damage and the fact they nearly always penertrate, shrecks can be awe inspiring if used right get close and dont chase tanks and youll be fine and your forgetting Pumas are invisble to RRs when there moving.Also shrecks in clowcar =death to tank.

Also why are you worried about a shreck on stormies hitting a ATG, if your any good with stormies youll be right beside the ATG to blow it up

[nugnugx]

2 RR's make more damage than 1 schreck. RR's always hit and penetrate (only skirted can bounce), schreck not. In the long run RR's make more dmg than schreck

flat dmg of schreck is 110
1 RR is 70  , they come by 2 so it is 140

schreck misses 2 times   0 dmg   2 RR hit 2 times = 280 dmg there you ahve it



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Also why are you worried about a shreck on stormies hitting a ATG, if your any good with stormies youll be right beside the ATG to blow it up
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there is schreck on grens also

[gamesguy2]

- Wehrmacht and Panzer Elite Panzerschreck projectile scatter tuned to closer match that of US bazooka. This will reduce number of accidental hits on enemy vehicles.

- Panzerschreck accuracy vs AT guns reduced.

from the changelog

Wow you are dishonest.  This was a 2.300 change, which we've been playing with since the start of EIRR.  The shrek price was RAISED despite this change because they were too effective.

RRs are only on airborne and cost more, maybe we should give shreks to defensive only, how does that sound?

Also you failed to add this line, which is right below the part about the shrek scatter increase.

- Wehrmacht and Panzer Elite Panzerschreck projectile scatter tuned to closer match that of US bazooka. This will reduce number of accidental hits on enemy vehicles.
- Wehrmacht and Panzer Elite Panzerschreck accuracy at short and medium ranges increased.

If you are gonna lie, at least try not to lie about something anyone can find with a 2 second search on google.

[Scyn]

Schreck scatter is still less than a Bazooka, the damage output is greater... I don't understand what there is to whine about. Even RRs are outdone by Schrecks, the only difference is that Bazookas and Schrecks have a a penetration modifier against them on certain vehicles. Your whining has absolutely no merit to it.

[BigDick]

stop crying abot RRs, yes they may hit at long range , but they do less damage, there good because of penetration and range,

they hit at every range and they have penetration of 1 to all normal axis tanks and 0.75 above to heavy tanks frontal armor
the damage is not low because of the fact that a squad get 2 for 1 price
and it come on a fireup shitload hp squad that can be dropped everywhere

i don't try to say recoilles are ridicules overpowered but i want to say that they are not that tame pussies you want to make them look

your forgetting Pumas are invisble to RRs when there moving.

maybe in omg mod (cause they fucking around with units much) but definitly not in EiR or vCOH

Also shrecks in clowcar =death to tank.

or dead inf halftrack+dead shreksquad..450-500MP 35 fuel 110 muni wasted?

[nugnugx]

- Wehrmacht and Panzer Elite Panzerschreck projectile scatter tuned to closer match that of US bazooka. This will reduce number of accidental hits on enemy vehicles.

- Panzerschreck accuracy vs AT guns reduced.

from the changelog

Stop being dishonest.  This was a 2.300 change, which we've been playing with since the start of EIRR.  The shrek price was RAISED despite this change because they were too effective.

RRs are only on airborne and cost more, maybe we should give shreks to defensive only, how does that sound?

but this issue never has been taken.

rrs are only on AB because you have more AT options , zookas stickies piats  while axis got one only schrecks




edit : i said on long range gamesguy ,  and the at gun nerf is from the ToV ptch

[BigDick]

Schreck scatter is still less than a Bazooka, the damage output is greater... I don't understand what there is to whine about. Even RRs are outdone by Schrecks, the only difference is that Bazookas and Schrecks have a a penetration modifier against them on certain vehicles. Your whining has absolutely no merit to it.

bazzoka 40 mun each shrek average 125mun each (or 150mun each on storms)? more than 3 times

[gamesguy2]

but this issue never has been taken.

Yes we have, the devs decided that shreks were too good and increased the price, this was well after the relic nerf.  You are lying through your teeth.

rrs are only on AB because you have more AT options , zookas stickies piats  while axis got one only schrecks

Since when do Americans get piats?   And wehr has fausts as well as the better AT gun.  Where as PE gets ATHT.

edit : i said on long range gamesguy ,  and the at gun nerf is from the ToV ptch

So what?  Shreks are better at short and medium range and they are worse at long range, its called a trade off.

The AT gun nerf was from coh beta, which was in the final version waaaay back last december, and has been in EIRR for several months now.  Despite this, shreks were judged too effective and price was increased by the devs.

And you are lying, because the shrek scatter nerf was from the 2.300 patch, which was more than a year ago.

v2.300 03/18/2008

Gameplay

- Wehrmacht and Panzer Elite Panzerschreck projectile scatter tuned to closer match that of US bazooka. This will reduce number of accidental hits on enemy vehicles.
- Wehrmacht and Panzer Elite Panzerschreck accuracy at short and medium ranges increased.


Maybe I should dig up some 1.7 changes from two years ago and claim relic nerfed allies and demand a price decrease for riflemen?

[gamesguy2]

Schreck scatter is still less than a Bazooka, the damage output is greater... I don't understand what there is to whine about. Even RRs are outdone by Schrecks, the only difference is that Bazookas and Schrecks have a a penetration modifier against them on certain vehicles. Your whining has absolutely no merit to it.

bazzoka 40 mun each shrek average 125mun each (or 150mun each on storms)? more than 3 times

Shreks are more than three times better than a bazooka.  I can show you the numbers if you'd like.

[nugnugx]

but this issue never has been taken.

Yes we have, the devs decided that shreks were too good and increased the price, this was well after the relic nerf.  You are lying through your teeth.

rrs are only on AB because you have more AT options , zookas stickies piats  while axis got one only schrecks

Since when do Americans get piats?   And wehr has fausts as well as the better AT gun.  Where as PE gets ATHT.

faust 50 mu 2 uses on a long cooldown, zooka 80 mu unlimited  see the difference?

at ht as anti tank? lol

[BigDick]

Schreck scatter is still less than a Bazooka, the damage output is greater... I don't understand what there is to whine about. Even RRs are outdone by Schrecks, the only difference is that Bazookas and Schrecks have a a penetration modifier against them on certain vehicles. Your whining has absolutely no merit to it.

bazzoka 40 mun each shrek average 125mun each (or 150mun each on storms)? more than 3 times

Shreks are more than three times better than a bazooka.  I can show you the numbers if you'd like.

so shreks have more than 225 damage each? have a reload time of less than 3? have a long range accuracy of more than 115?
they are not because they are almost unable to hit that light vehicle spam running around on long range....

[gamesguy2]

but this issue never has been taken.

Yes we have, the devs decided that shreks were too good and increased the price, this was well after the relic nerf.  You are lying through your teeth.

rrs are only on AB because you have more AT options , zookas stickies piats  while axis got one only schrecks

Since when do Americans get piats?   And wehr has fausts as well as the better AT gun.  Where as PE gets ATHT.

faust 50 mu 2 uses on a long cooldown, zooka 80 mu unlimited  see the difference?

at ht as anti tank? lol

I'm comparing stickies to fausts.   Dont be an idiot.

[nugnugx]

but this issue never has been taken.

Yes we have, the devs decided that shreks were too good and increased the price, this was well after the relic nerf.  You are lying through your teeth.

rrs are only on AB because you have more AT options , zookas stickies piats  while axis got one only schrecks

Since when do Americans get piats?   And wehr has fausts as well as the better AT gun.  Where as PE gets ATHT.

faust 50 mu 2 uses on a long cooldown, zooka 80 mu unlimited  see the difference?

at ht as anti tank? lol

I'm comparing stickies to fausts.   Dont be an idiot.

stickie is for a different role , 1 stickie and ur tank is basicaly done for in eir.

sad that you can only use personal attacks as an argument in a talk

"stop lying" "dont be an idiot"

[Scyn]

Put skirts on your tanks.. the stickies only have a .5 chance to penetrate