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[gamesguy2]

wow.. look at all this..

Germany (Hitler) made 3 mistakes that sealed his fate...

2.  Not finishing off the British, mainly the RAF, they were running rather low on pilots, and were within weeks of being able to put up the fight, Hitler got impatient and caught up in the bombing of cities, thus, allowing the RAF time to rebuild, and well they did...

The RAF was beating the Luftwaffe down in the battle of Britain.   Superior doctrine combined with radar was the deciding factor.

Bombing cities has nothing to do with the fighter corp.   

3.  Invaiding Soviets without a defeated GB... didnt want a two front war he said, and well he did it right there.. started the invasion too late etc

The Soviets would've invaded Germany instead, and it would've been worse for the Germans.

Germany never possessed the ability to knock GB out of the war in any case.   Even if the RAF was destroyed, Germany did not possess the sealift capabilities to successfully invade Britain.

[Demon767]

Hitler could of taken Britian after he took france, THIS is a fact, but Hitler stopped the attack and left it late because and i quote "He felt that the british people were of high class like germany and didnt want to get into a confrontation". Even the british generals admitted they would of lost britain.

All this shermans and panther stuff..... u missed out one thing Gameguy... What fuel did shermans run on.. OH YEA PETROL. The shermans used to just blow up even without any penetration just because it heated up

Most other tanks run on diesel. It is a bad idea to put a petrol engine into a tank as the American forces found out in WW2, the Germans used to be amazed at how easily the American Sherman tanks would brew up. The only reason the Sherman tanks had an advantage was that there were more of them. The German Panzers especially the Tigers were superior in every way.

i disagree with everything you have just said gamesguy.

[gamesguy2]

Hitler could of taken Britian after he took france, THIS is a fact, but Hitler stopped the attack and left it late because and i quote "He felt that the british people were of high class like germany and didnt want to get into a confrontation". Even the british generals admitted they would of lost britain.

Man you have no clue wtf you are talking about.

How was the wehrmacht going to get to England, swim?   Germany never possessed the sealift capabilities to successfully invade Britain.  And the British navy would've stopped any such attempt cold.

All this shermans and panther stuff..... u missed out one thing Gameguy... What fuel did shermans run on.. OH YEA PETROL. The shermans used to just blow up even without any penetration just because it heated up

Nope.  Gas stored in a tank does not "blow up".  Thats just a myth created by Hollywood.    The reason the earlier sherman models and most panther models exploded is due to poor storage of ammo, a penetrating hit on the turret would cook off the ready ammunition.

[brn4meplz]

Germany never possessed the ability to knock GB out of the war in any case.   Even if the RAF was destroyed, Germany did not possess the sealift capabilities to successfully invade Britain.

The funny thing about destroying the Air power of an Island nation is that you don't need sealift ability. Just the ability to interdict sea trade, something you can easily do with complete air dominance. The Wehrmacht would have rolled right over great Britain in the southern sectors, but anything beyond Coventry would have been out of Aircraft range of the 109 and JU-87's and 88's. All britain would need to do is blow the airfields on the retreat and use partisan units to disrupt newly constructed airfields to seriously slow any German advance. The Soviet union would have crushed Germany eventually in either case. They didn't need Britain or the USA to open a second front, their triumph was inevitable.

[gamesguy2]

The funny thing about destroying the Air power of an Island nation is that you don't need sealift ability. Just the ability to interdict sea trade, something you can easily do with complete air dominance.

The Royal Navy might have something to say about that....

Was the luftwaffe even trained in anti-shipping warfare?  If this was the Japanese navy or airforce I'd agree with you, but without torpedo bombers WWII aircraft generally made very poor anti-shipping weapons. 

[Malevolence]

It's not that if didn't happen, but it happened enough to make the German Army scared to move their tanks via roads.

They were scared of being hit by 250 pound bombs, rockets, and 30mm autocannon, not some trickshot bullets. The top is just as poorly armored as the bottom.

Hitler could of taken Britian after he took france, THIS is a fact, but Hitler stopped the attack and left it late because and i quote "He felt that the british people were of high class like germany and didnt want to get into a confrontation". Even the british generals admitted they would of lost britain.

Germany had no seaworthy transport fleet, even though the Luftwaffe was on the verge of defeating fighter command in Britain. Hitler switched tactics mistaking the British to be stronger than they were and the Luftwaffe was bled white for the remainder of the war. They lost too many good pilots.

IF Germany could get onto Britain they would have to face around a half million men fighting for their homeland, in an amphibious landing, against emplaced defenses. The Germans don't do emplaced defense cracking very well, and there's no way they could have even launched such an attack with the British royal navy still around, and there's no way for them to defeat the royal navy without the royal air force gone, and even then it'll be a tough fight. By the time they're done cracking Britain's multitiered defense it'll be 1942 and here comes America to the rescue.

All this shermans and panther stuff..... u missed out one thing Gameguy... What fuel did shermans run on.. OH YEA PETROL. The shermans used to just blow up even without any penetration just because it heated up

Petrol means gasoline, right?

Panzer II = Petrol
Panzer III = Petrol
Panzer IV = Petrol
Panther = Petrol
Tiger = Petrol
Tiger II = Petrol

Seeing a pattern here? The Sherman also ran on "petrol" (gasoline in American english).

Most other tanks run on diesel. It is a bad idea to put a petrol engine into a tank as the American forces found out in WW2, the Germans used to be amazed at how easily the American Sherman tanks would brew up. The only reason the Sherman tanks had an advantage was that there were more of them. The German Panzers especially the Tigers were superior in every way.

Wtf is this nonsense? German tanks ran almost purely on gasoline just like the Sherman did.


How about this for superior in every way, is the tiger cheaper to manufacture? No, it costs four times as much as a Panther does, which is double that of a Panzer IV, which is DOUBLE that of a 76mm Sherman.

Congratulations, we can build sixteen shermans for your one tiger. Does you tiger have sixteen guns? Does it have super speed on and off road? Does it fit on a railway car for transport without you having to disassemble its tracks? What about a gyroscopically stabilized turret? How about an advanced secondary optics suite? Where is the sloped armor? The modularity? The torsion bar suspension? Is a Panzer III 50mm superior to a Sherman, it's a Panzer too. What about the Panzer IV stubby?

[AmPM]

Actually, one of the finest planes of the Luftwaffe was a quite good torpedo bomber, and was also the first plane to use a radio guided anti-ship missile.

Say hello to one of my favorite planes to fly (in IL2)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_111

[Akranadas]

Operation Sealion would have been a disaster for the Wehrmacht. As Germany made it well known that they would attempt to land on English Beaches, which only resulted in Britain basically turning the country into a fortress (Greek Fire anyone?). Th reason why the D-Day landings succeeded was the element of surprise and the amount of misinformation that was given to the Germans over the years of build up; German just didn't have the subtlety do make a beach landing succeed.

You can pretty much sum up Germany's lose of the war when Hitler ceased all future aircraft production. Germany's lack of a long range bomber also hindered it's reach.

[gamesguy2]

Actually, one of the finest planes of the Luftwaffe was a quite good torpedo bomber, and was also the first plane to use a wire guided anti-ship missile.

Say hello to one of my favorite planes to fly (in IL2)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_111

Being the first doesnt really mean its any good, especially when it comes to German weapons in WWII.

How many ships that that thing sink?

[AmPM]

The real question is how many times did they actually try to sink ships from the air with torpedoes....

Germany...not a whole lot.

Its still a good plane.

[Demon767]

nah ur al wrong, Germans ran on diesal, shermans ran on petrol. Fact.

[Malevolence]

nah ur al wrong, Germans ran on diesal, shermans ran on petrol. Fact.

Troll alert.

*poke*

[gamesguy2]

The real question is how many times did they actually try to sink ships from the air with torpedoes....

Germany...not a whole lot.

Its still a good plane.

Well, if the luftwaffe wasn't on the verge of collapse, the med would've given them a nice chance to try and sink a few royal navy ships.

nah ur al wrong, Germans ran on diesal, shermans ran on petrol. Fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maybach_HL230

"The Maybach HL230 is a water-cooled 60° 23 liter V12 gasoline engine designed by Maybach. It was used during World War II in heavy German tanks, namely the Panther, Jagdpanther, Tiger II, Jagdtiger (HL230 P30), and later versions of the Tiger I and Sturmtiger (HL230 P45). "

[AmPM]

Little known fact.

Engine fuel type was not usually the cause of tanks brewing up.

The ammo storage was.

German tanks all used wet storage from the start (except mr Panther), something Sherman tanks didn't. Once that was changed they stopped exploding in balls of fire.

[gamesguy2]

Little known fact.

Engine fuel type was not usually the cause of tanks brewing up.

The ammo storage was.

German tanks all used wet storage from the start (except mr Panther), something Sherman tanks didn't. Once that was changed they stopped exploding in balls of fire.

Thats what I said...

[BigDick]

Hitler could of taken Britian after he took france, THIS is a fact, but Hitler stopped the attack and left it late because and i quote "He felt that the british people were of high class like germany and didnt want to get into a confrontation". Even the british generals admitted they would of lost britain.

Man you have no clue wtf you are talking about.

No you have no clue what you are talking about

he is right the brits fled over the canal..running away like bunnies    in a mad rush and left all their equipment and weapons

my grandfather was there they got the order to stop to let them free retreat
they could have captured huge amounts of the british army for prisoners

if an invasion would be possible no one can really say for sure...there where no organization left on brits side at that time

[BigDick]

Hitler stopped the attack and left it late because and i quote "He felt that the british people were of high class like germany and didnt want to get into a confrontation". Even the british generals admitted they would of lost britain.

maybe he said so but the reason was he never wanted war with the brits and the us
his plan was to get areas back that belonged formerly to germany and to divide poland with stalin (hitler-stalin pact)

and maybe to attack the sowjets

but i wouldnt be to sure about the last point since the germans run into military deployment areas of the SU when they crossed the border to SU

maybe a little bit later the russian would have attacked by themselfs

[BigDick]

Once that was changed they stopped exploding in balls of fire.

thats why shermans are called tommycooker

[Akranadas]

Yeah and People from Britian are called Limies because they all suck limes.

Tommy cooker was the nickname given to it by the Germans, it just stuck even though the fault was fixed.

[Smithy17]

No you have no clue what you are talking about

he is right the brits fled over the canal..running away like bunnies in a mad rush and left all their equipment and weapons

my grandfather was there they got the order to stop to let them free retreat
they could have captured huge amounts of the british army for prisoners

if an invasion would be possible no one can really say for sure...there where no organization left on brits side at that time

There was only a lack of organisation in the army - the raf and navy were capable of defending Britain. The invasion plan involved sending an army across the channel in vessels that could be sunk by the bow wave of a destroyer.