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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2009, 12:10:26 am » |
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the scary thing is i could see this being somthing the germans (if the war had gone on longer) would actualy build.
And be a huge waste of resources. Every single heavy tank the Germans built was a waste of resources. Germany would've had a better chance if they had just concentrated on a few mechanically reliable designs. Like panzer IVs and stugs. The attrition rates on panthers and tigers due to mechnical breakdown was absurd. A 1944 panther division could expect to lose half its tanks to mechanical trouble. |
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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2009, 12:11:02 am » |
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Dont forget the Stug one of the best performing tanks for the Germans...
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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2009, 01:02:41 am » |
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Dont forget the Stug one of the best performing tanks for the Germans...
Hitler Enjoyed StuG 4s when he heard reports of how they were doing in the front. He ordered more StuGs to be produced despite the High commanders telling to Hitler that a Tank with a Turret and same Gun performs better than one StuG. Though he didn't listen, thus more StuG 4s were built xD |
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gamesguy2
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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2009, 01:07:44 am » |
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Dont forget the Stug one of the best performing tanks for the Germans...
Hitler Enjoyed StuG 4s when he heard reports of how they were doing in the front. He ordered more StuGs to be produced despite the High commanders telling to Hitler that a Tank with a Turret and same Gun performs better than one StuG. Though he didn't listen, thus more StuG 4s were built xD In most cases a tank with a turret and the same gun does perform better than a stug, The only reason the stug did so well was because Germany was almost exclusively on the defensive. Its a great ambush tank, but on the offensive its rather lacking. In the spirit of the thread, I give you this:  It was actually surprisingly useful, if you ignored the fact that it was as unreliable as a tiger. |
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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2009, 01:16:55 am » |
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In most cases a tank with a turret and the same gun does perform better than a stug, The only reason the stug did so well was because Germany was almost exclusively on the defensive. Its a great ambush tank, but on the offensive its rather lacking. In the spirit of the thread, I give you this: It was actually surprisingly useful, if you ignored the fact that it was as unreliable as a tiger. Didn't StürmTiger have 450mm missile in its pipe? And it wasted whole area with one shot? xD |
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« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2009, 01:59:35 am » |
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You have to remember how cheap these tanks are to produce when you compare them to turreted tanks. Hence why towards the end of the war most german tanks were all either the Jagd series or something like it, hence panzer jager. Also why Jagdpanther should cost less than a panther  . |
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« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2009, 07:55:44 am » |
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Peanut Butter is a recipe not a invention..
From my research the Germans treated the blacks that participated in the Olympic games better than the Americans did...
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« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2009, 07:58:55 am » |
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the scary thing is i could see this being somthing the germans (if the war had gone on longer) would actualy build.
-If you refer to the heavy tanks: tigers came before panthers and pIV and the konigstiger was a marvelous design but hasted in production. |
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« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2009, 09:24:21 am » |
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the end-war panther was actualy surprisingly reliable, just that the early moddels were rushed too much..
The Tiger had been developped quite well since the Afrika Corps versions, and they had become rather reliable as well. A 17 pounder, 90 mm or 76 mm HVAP round would have all been able to penetrate them frontally, however... And 90 mm rounds were more to be expected from the side, rather than the front(TDs ftw). And the chance to meet 6 pdrs, unlike it is said in CoH, had ended by 1945..
The problem with such huge tanks like the P1000 or P1500 is not their possible prone-ness to mechanical disfunction, but the fact they'd be awesome targets for carpet-bombers like the B17, or for commando units to infiltrate it and plant some demolitions all across it. Not to mention the time it would take for the piece of crap to actualy get anywhere near the front lines, or turn around... So they'd be rather useless other than a HUGE piece of self-proppered dual barreled arty.
Still, if the germans kept up spamming P4s and StuGs, they would have still lost due to the fact the T34/85 could penetrate both with extreme ease, and they would have done nothing against the upcoming Pershing and Centurion tanks on the western front. Not to mention the IS series rolling out as well - the germans needed something heavier to stand up against all those threaths... Thus the tiger and the panther were quite crucial. I guess a StuG version with an 88 mm cannon(same chasis, not Elephant/Ferdinand ones) could have been quite an effective weapon.
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« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2009, 10:18:17 am » |
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I'm inclined to say their problem can be found in the Allied air superiority. Small tanks couldn't stand up to the heavy allied tanks, and the larger ones were bombing run magnets. Not all too different from CoH actually.
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« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2009, 10:40:06 am » |
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air superiorty won the war anyways, if hitler had invested more in thoughes jets =/
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« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2009, 10:44:25 am » |
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Peanut Butter is a recipe not a invention..
From my research the Germans treated the blacks that participated in the Olympic games better than the Americans did...
.................Does anyone else see the dumb thing in this statement? Do tell us... |
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gamesguy2
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« Reply #32 on: May 25, 2009, 01:59:52 pm » |
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Didn't StürmTiger have 450mm missile in its pipe? And it wasted whole area with one shot? xD
It carried a 380mm naval rocket. That sucker weighted 350 kilograms and took all five crew members and a crane to reload.  It was designed after Stalingrad for city sieges so it can level a building with one shot, it needed to be extremely heavilly armored(it was significantly more armored than a tiger) as well. By the time it reached production in 1944 obviously it was useless in its intended role. Surprisingly it was a good defensive weapon. The rocket wasn't terribly accurate but then again it didn't need to be, and it was so armored with proper support it was very difficult to destroy. |
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