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[gamesguy2]

Because you can't save up PP while you're playing to vet and losing right?

You CAN save PP while playing to vet and lose.

So whats the point of trying to win?

The gamesguy I know loves to play and loves to win. Who are you?

In 005 I didn't mind so much that some people would have 4 times as much vet as I do and 4 times as much PP as I do.  I can still play to win and I won't be penalized for it.

In 006 I will be penalized to gain less pp 80% of my games because I win nearly every game.  It pisses me off and makes me want to delete all my MG42s and replace them with KCH.

[Latios418]

1. You strip out all the support weapons except artillery.  Because those die easy and don't survive even if they vet.

AT Guns are great, and if you retreat them as soon as shit flanks em you could build up their (excellent) vet 3 very fast.

It doesn't PENALIZE you for winning

Yes it does. The more you win, the less PPs you get. You're forgetting how small this community is. There WILL NOT be high-ranked enemies on all of the time, especially during late night (midnight through 6amish EST), where there is usually only one game going on at a time (keyword usually, the latest patch generated a lot of buzz which I expect to die down soon).

[jackmccrack]

In 006 I will be penalized to gain less pp 80% of my games because I win nearly every game.

Yes but only if you play mediocre players 24/7.

The system aims to keep players even by decreasing the reward high level players get from beating low level players. It's just like normal vCoH.

[Latios418]

Jack read my point about the community pls

[gamesguy2]

In 006 I will be penalized to gain less pp 80% of my games because I win nearly every game.

Yes but only if you play mediocre players 24/7.

The system aims to keep players even by decreasing the reward high level players get from beating low level players. It's just like normal vCoH.

There isn't a big enough playerbase for me to play people my level every game.

80% of the time I will be playing mediocre players, which make up 80% of the playerbase.

At certain times there will be like one game every hour, am I supposed to wait 5 hours to get a game with people my rank?

[jackmccrack]

Yes it does. The more you win, the less PPs you get. You're forgetting how small this community is. There WILL NOT be high-ranked enemies on all of the time, especially during late night (midnight through 6amish EST), where there is usually only one game going on at a time (keyword usually, the latest patch generated a lot of buzz which I expect to die down soon).

Well then dont fucking play at those hours. How fucking hard is it. Find players your own skill level, actually...find players who are BETTER THAN YOU AND BEAT THEM. If you want PP, find the best player out there and BEAT HIS ASS.

[jackmccrack]

At certain times there will be like one game every hour, am I supposed to wait 5 hours to get a game with people my rank?

Do you want that 10PP or not? Who cares what the heck you do in that time, since you are so focused on getting that 10PP instead of 8.

[Latios418]

So now I'm limited to what hours I can play if I stay on the course of playing to win?

Yeah, playing to vet sounds like a shitload more fun and I'm considering making a topic to see if anybody else wants to do it with me so I don't grief teammates.

Also, 10 instead of that 8? I'm not sure if you realize how big the xp/pp modifier can be.

[gamesguy2]

Yes it does. The more you win, the less PPs you get. You're forgetting how small this community is. There WILL NOT be high-ranked enemies on all of the time, especially during late night (midnight through 6amish EST), where there is usually only one game going on at a time (keyword usually, the latest patch generated a lot of buzz which I expect to die down soon).

Well then dont fucking play at those hours. How fucking hard is it. Find players your own skill level, actually...find players who are BETTER THAN YOU AND BEAT THEM. If you want PP, find the best player out there and BEAT HIS ASS.

Right because I should schedule my life around EIR.

[jackmccrack]

Do not schedule your life around EIR.

[Latios418]

So, if we're on in those hours then we can't play if we want any PP. We can't be on on other hours because of life. In order to be on at other hours, we would have to find jobs on different schedules than our current ones.

[jackmccrack]

That's what you're making it sound like.

[jackmccrack]

If you like losing then by all means go ahead and lose.

[gamesguy2]

Brb deleting all my MGs and mortars.

[Latios418]

No, I'm not. For an example let's say I have a full-time job. 9am to 9pm, 6 days a week. I cannot play from 8am (readying up for work, driving to it, etc) to 10 pm (showering, dinner, etc),  Therefore, I must play during late night hours, which in my local time (EST) there don't tend be many people on. This means I can only get my full PP gain on Sundays and during a small 2-hour period after 6am EST. If I wanted to get full PPs more often, I would have to reschedule my life, IE get a job with a late night shift.

EDIT: Jack was originally saying I was talking like a dumbass, but he edited his post so this one is kind of off now.

Gamesguy, why not make a separate account for it? That way you could still play on your gamesguy1 account when there are other good players on.

[jackmccrack]

blaaaaaahh

[Malevolence]

1. Got money in the bank? I do.

2. No I won't.

3. My point is that points earned do not have to be spent.

old post but w/e

1. Because you have money in the bank, that guy who lost all his games has more unlocks than you and smashes your face.

2. Then you won't be playing much at all thereby disadvantaging yourself in yet another way.

3. And now you're spending PPs on doctrines instead of vet, while the Other Guy (TM) has BOTH. More experienced and veteran commander automatically has a disadvantage in this system, or at best breaks even.

[jackmccrack]

1. Got money in the bank? I do.

2. No I won't.

3. My point is that points earned do not have to be spent.

old post but w/e

1. Because you have money in the bank, that guy who lost all his games has more unlocks than you and smashes your face.

2. Then you won't be playing much at all thereby disadvantaging yourself in yet another way.

3. And now you're spending PPs on doctrines instead of vet, while the Other Guy (TM) has BOTH. More experienced and veteran commander automatically has a disadvantage in this system, or at best breaks even.

Time spent = reward gained

grats u figured it out

[Smokaz]

Whats the real issue here? Gamesguy, does it annoy you that crappy players have a lot of vet? I dont. I laugh as they retreat their vet 3 KCH from a harmless M10, or lose their vet 3 storms to bar supression and flame engineers. Offmaps, vet and advantages doesn't fix stupid - at least not to the full extent that is being painted out here.

I've yet to seen a veteran unit which isn't vulnerable to its usual counters. When vet 3 shermans start 1 shotting double shrek squads, or panthers block any kind of AT from the front I will be hoarding vet myself. Right now its just barely noticable stuff, except for range increases which are fucking awesome on panthers and shermans.

A crappy player with 1 win and 20 losses and a horde of vet 3 against a good player with many wins will be further disadvantaged by his vet, he'll want to conserve it, he'll be afraid of "certain" type of players who crush vet under their heels and not mind another loss. There will be easy retreats from "trap"-like situations.

Winning will always be more important than advantages, vet or other immaterial world of warcraft artifacts, cause its the outcome of the game, the strategic clash and duel of minds which most of the good players seem to enjoy. Not getting a rock hard boner over a 4 man vet 3 KCH squad charging over abbeville as "Flight of the Valkyrie" plays in the background.

If you're truly gosu - the king and the master - you will win games AND vet up your shit. You won't have 100% of the true rambo experience, but you'll feel that deliciously retarded sense of pride as you build up your horde. And it's when +5 range shermans (kitemasters from vet2+) and super PE panthers start showing up in good player hands that shit will really hit the fan, not when some average guy who couldnt handle a three-way flank if his life depended on it charges his blob of vet 3 kch across the field.

[Latios418]

No.

Player A has played 30 games, won most of them (80% we'll say to make his rank accurate), and is Rank 5. He has little vet and less PPs then Player B, because of lack of other rank 4+s on he has had to play low-ranked players. We'll say he has two vet 3 units, two vet two units, and three vet one units because imo that's fairly realistic for a normal player. We'll also say he has 230 pp, as that's fairly realistic for this relatively lower rank.

Player B has played 30 games, lost all of them (even when he would win a game, he would forfeit it near the end to keep rank 1), and is thusly rank 1. Most of his units are well-vetted, and he has 300 pp. Player B uses his extreme vet company to win many games in a row if he wants next tier doctrine abilities.

The difference isn't major with only 30 games, but as you higher and higher they become further and further apart in both vet and PP.