Why is EIR Becoming More and More About Grinding?

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[gamesguy2]

A simple comparison.  In old EIR you got 50 cp for for every new company to unlock doctrine stuff with.  This was sufficient to generally unlock one doctrine tree up to a tier 4 ability, or if it wasn't, you could play like 4 games and get enough cp to unlock a tier 4 ability.

Currently, it takes a staggering 38 games just to unlock a single tier 1, tier 2, tier 3, and tier 4 ability.    You used to get that within 4-5 games, and for quite a few doctrines you could get that right off the bat with no games played.

Is there a reason for EIR to become more and more about spamming games and grinding up PP?

And before someone comes in here and say how people are supposed to play with other people their own rank.  There isn't a nearly big enough playerbase for that to happen.   The vast majority of the time people are playing other people with higher or lower ranks.

[Scyn]

Kind of defeats the purpose of persistency if you only have to play a handful of games to get the biggest and baddest stuff.

[brn4meplz]

50cp to start? What are you smoking, the start of a war was never anything. the 50 cp was introduced very very late stage.

[EIRRMod]

Indeed - the 50 CP was only mid-late war.

1CP per day.

[Nevyen]

Original EIR it took approx 30-40 games to achieve tier 4 units, and then you still had resource bonuses.

Thier intention as is ours is to tie it into a war map.

late war there was a mechanisim depending on how long the war went for that you would get adjusted CP's  you where not here for the original EIR days and thus missed what the game was about.

I remember have 60-70 games on accounts and not even close to other players.

[Latios418]

Currently, it takes a staggering 38 games just to unlock a single tier 1, tier 2, tier 3, and tier 4 ability.

Actually, significantly higher than that now that you have to rank up, and once you're in the rank 7-8 region you're going to be getting 4xp from 90% of your wins.

[gamesguy2]

Original EIR it took approx 30-40 games to achieve tier 4 units, and then you still had resource bonuses.

Thier intention as is ours is to tie it into a war map.

late war there was a mechanisim depending on how long the war went for that you would get adjusted CP's  you where not here for the original EIR days and thus missed what the game was about.

I remember have 60-70 games on accounts and not even close to other players.

3 cp per game, 10 cp per day max, 50-60 cp to get a tier 4.

Thats 15-20 games, not 40 like it is now.

And RBs came with games, so you unlocked your doctrine and got resource bonuses at the same time.    Now you have to choose between one or the other, although with limited resource bonuses its not as big an issue.

[Akranadas]

Well, you should know all about grinding as a player who tanks games to gain PP and XP Mr Somali.

[DasNoob]

yep and after 15 to 20 games everyone always complained about there being nothing to do and no point to continue to play.

[gamesguy2]

Well, you should know all about grinding as a player who tanks games to gain PP and XP Mr Somali.

Proof that the system is horribly flawed.

[Akranadas]

No, proof that your a moron who likes to ruin peoples enjoyment of this modification. Just because you sit all day long playing this game, doesn't mean we should change it just so you can get everything you want faster, so that you may go ahead and crush newer players.

We've done this to make the playing field more even and give everyone a more level playing field. Your just jadded that you can't rush to top tier as fast as you could before.

Majority of the community likes it, and with a few little tweaks here and there, the system can only get better.

[gamesguy2]

yep and after 15 to 20 games everyone always complained about there being nothing to do and no point to continue to play.

I just started a new company when that happens.  And now that there are two more factions that option is even more attractive.

Honestly in the current system its gonna take something like 150 games to unlock everything, its a little  

[gamesguy2]

No, proof that your a moron who likes to ruin peoples enjoyment of this modification. Just because you sit all day long playing this game, doesn't mean we should change it just so you can get everything you want faster, so that you may go ahead and crush newer players.

We've done this to make the playing field more even and give everyone a more level playing field. Your just jadded that you can't rush to top tier as fast as you could befire,

You don't know what you're talking about, at all.

I don't need advantages or doctrine unlocks to noobstomp.  The current system rewards whoever spams the most games the shortest amount of time, winning or losing doesn't matter, skill doesn't matter.  If I wanted to just noobstomp and get wins I'd make 20 smurfs and play only bad players.   With my new company I'm doing the exact opposite, I'm playing with newbie teammates against often very good players.

I get bored with any one company quickly, and its a pain in the ass to start a new company playing against people who has 3-4 times the number of games I had.   In the last patch the most games I had on any one company was around 40, there were people with 200+ games.

And no I don't intentionally throw games just to get a loss, or I wouldn't have any wins at all.  The worst you can accuse me of is setting up a company that is not the most optimal for winning.   I have a shitload of losses because I often pick the worst teammate possible with that company.  Players that 80% of other people would avoid.  I've had teammates with like 1-8 ratios.   I get games fast this way.  The super stacked game with two good players on allies and one guy who has never played eir before on axis and everyone is avoiding?  I join those.

So you think I'm ruining other people's experience of the mod by playing with newbie teammates that other people won't play with Akranadas?   Are you fucking seriously saying I'm being an ass by doing the exact opposite of stacking?  

[31stPzGren]

So you think I'm ruining other people's experience of the mod by playing with newbie teammates that other people won't play with Akranadas?   Are you fucking seriously saying I'm being an ass by doing the exact opposite of stacking?   

Some times I think some of the mods need to interact with the player base more. You don't seem to be very up-to-date on the latest trends in game play and gamer's attitude. I would say if Somali is a certain someone, he is different from his first few weeks here.

[Demon767]

id hate to get involved here but some people are different than you.

Personally i dont get sick of companies quickly because i carefully choose before i play, and i stick with it. and since it takes long to get through the tiers its got something for me to work for while entertaining me as i play. I dont want to have everything after 5 games, that like me buying a game and finishing the campaign in 1 hr. I dont want to keep on replaying the same campaign over and over again.

I also like to work on getting vet, thats just an added bonus, while everyone is around 1.2.3 tier i trying to make the best company i can before majority have tier 4.

But thats just my honest oppinion.

Edit: i dont grind i just play and haivng the rpg feel is just a massive bonus, thats what keep me coming back the next day.

[Guderian]

When your up there and have that awesome crap and have customised your company to perfection at you leisure.

Then your going to look at your company and smile.

[Akranadas]

So you think I'm ruining other people's experience of the mod by playing with newbie teammates that other people won't play with Akranadas?   Are you fucking seriously saying I'm being an ass by doing the exact opposite of stacking?   

Some times I think some of the mods need to interact with the player base more. You don't seem to be very up-to-date on the latest trends in game play and gamer's attitude. I would say if Somali is a certain someone, he is different from his first few weeks here.

We do interact with the player base, as much as we possibly can. But you can't both play consistently and create constant new content for you guys that you all want so much, this modification doesn't make itself and it takes untold amounts of personal sacrifices to get all of what you have to play today, this is on top of our personal lives that include such commitments; Jobs, Study, Family and other personal matters. Most of our free time is taken up with providing this modification so that you can play it.

But you know what? Hearing constant bitching and whining about how we are always doing something wrong, or destroying the modification or are just shit at what we do get to me. It comes from the same 5-8 members of this community and I have yet to see even a simple 'Thank you' from those guys for all our hard work, even if it's a thank you for giving them something to be able to bitch about.

Gamesguy is Somali btw.

[Latios418]

Until the system gets changed, that's never going to happen. Once you're rank 8, 90% of your games will be against lower level players because of playerbase constraints. That means you're getting 4xp per win (which will mean somewhat short of 50 games to get to rank 9 from rank and 2pp per game (which means 100 games for a tier 4, 50 for a tier 3, etc). In addition, this will also be present (to a slightly lesser degree) with rank 7 which means getting to rank 8 will take a while too.

[Scyn]

Hopefully Other players will advance just as much as those making it to those levels you're talking about.. it's not going to be that ridiculously low unless you don't play people your own level.. and then it's your fault, not our design.

[Latios418]

No, it's not our fault, and it's not your fault either. The playerbase really isn't that big; there's a certain duration of about 8 hours (plus, on some days) where there's only enough people on to get one, MAYBE two games going at a time.